Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Ultimate Consumer Money Culture. And enjoy the delusions and propaganda about to place your ears. Hello everyone!

SPEAKER_02 0:33

And welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Olive Thompson Money Power Sex and Culture.

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And today, as you can see, we have a platter of McDonald's. Do you want to run people through what's actually on this?

SPEAKER_02 0:48

So this is the new around the world food safari.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Yep.

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We've got the j the teriyah.

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It's called menu high stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Teriaki chicken. I've got to show the people. If you spill this, we're in real. So the ones that that that one? Yep. That's the teriyaki chicken. Then we just have a McChicken. Yeah, we've got a McChicken in the middle three from Uber Eats, by the way. That one on the end there. That's the Philly cheeseburger. Then we have some nuggets.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

Which are the new nuggets, which are garlic and pepper.

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Then we have some garlic sauce on the side.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

It's a mix between uh ketchup and and mustard. So we're now going to disperse these into bowls and we're going to do a taste test. You guys have no idea how overstimulating doing stuff like this is. Because there's so many moving parts. I need my bowl as well. I know, I'm giving I'm plating it in for you. Okay, so we're starting we're starting with the Philly cheeseburger. He started with the hardest one to eat. Oh god. Okay. And what's even harder as well is we have to do it with one mic in hand. I might temporarily put my mic down for two seconds just like disgrace mic. No, I can do this. You go first.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

That's like a double quarter pounder.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

Yeah, it tastes like a quarter pounder. Um it is.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

A no tomato sauce. It doesn't taste like a fine. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:11

And this is the thing, I think it's quite dry. Like I think a sauce would actually benefit this burger. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I think right now it's basically just a cheese sauce, no? I don't think there's any other sauce. It doesn't even taste, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

It just tastes like a shit toned cheese. So what would you give it out of ten?

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Um, I'd get a seven and a half, but I'd get a quarter pounder. I'd give it a seven.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

Yeah, I agree. A quarter pounder.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Like if you j I think this is just like a quarter pounder.

SPEAKER_04 2:37

And this is supposed to be from the UK. Yeah. Yeah. Because the idea is that each menu item is from a different country. Okay, so what's next? Should we try cherioking? Yeah, we have a chicken. The McChicken isn't even on that menu. We just got it for free. Okay. I will you can go as well at the same time. This one's even more messy. I'm gonna put my mic down again while I do it.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

It's a nice bun. I try to look at the other people.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

The chicken's really nice, isn't it? I quite like that. I think it's quite good.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

It's really like sweet. Do you get what I'm saying? Like you can really taste the sweetness in that. I'd give that like a I'd give it maybe a maybe an eight. I think I'd prefer that. I think I'd give it an eight. There's more substance to it. Do you get what I'm saying? Like it's actually more enjoyable each bite. Because it that well, I think it might at the same time have the opposite issue that the filly burger has. This is a bit too wet. Yeah. It's a very wet burger. The chicken is really good. Yes, the chicken is good. Whereas the filly is too dry. Okay. I don't know. I have not yet. Okay, the next is the nuggets. So these are wait, where was before we move on, where was the teriyaki burger from? From Japan. Japan, there we go. Okay. And then the nuggets, where are they from? The nuggets.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Where are the teriyaki chicken from?

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Who knows, who cares. Anyway, and we're gonna try it, we're gonna try it with the the new golden sauce as well, which is from the US, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

That sauce is fucking amazing. That was one of the best McDonald's sauces I've ever fucking had in my life. Is it better than the one last week? Yeah, 100% better. It's really nice. And I quite like the taste of the It tastes a bit like Come on, spit it out.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

You wanna think this is so random and so weird? It smells like the it tastes like the air in Bali. Okay, moving on. No, what would you give it though? What would you give it? But I don't mind it. It's weird. Yeah, but that's not a pleasant smell, but that actually tastes quite Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

You think Balinese air is a pleasant smell? No. Is this racially motivated? No, I agree. It's it's a very humid climate and stuff. No, but even that it's because I don't have proper rubbish systems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

We'll just leave it at that before we disgrace ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

I'd give the nuggets, I'd give the nugget like an 8.5, I like them. See, that's I'd give the sauce, I'd give the sauce a um maybe a 9.5. See that's interesting, right?

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Because I completely forgot about the nugget. Like gen internally, like if I ate the nugget without realising it was even like a like that nugget.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

So you thought it was like a normal nugget, it didn't taste like paper or it didn't taste like cannelic or anything.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

I can taste it now that you say it, but like that could just be the sauce. The sauce is good. Um I give the sauce probably I don't know, uh uh six and a half, seven. It's not the best thing I've had. Like I'd probably still get like a barbecue sauce, that's my personal favourite. Yeah. But like I wouldn't um I probably wouldn't get that on its own. The nuggets, I have to kind of give it a five, right? Like Well, well, like they're not bad, but it's just like there's nothing to them.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

Okay, no, I agree with you, I agree. I I look, I think you can taste you can taste the garlic and the pepper, but they're just not overpowering, if that makes sense. That's why I agree with you. But that's that's also at the same time while I like it. Because it's not it's not doing too much. Anyway, and then we may as well do the McChicken, which we got for free from Uberitas chips all over this one. I'm trying not to tell you. You know, this is my burger. Hang on, I need to put my mic down again. What do you mean this is your burger?

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Um Korean one. Teriyaki. It's definitely drier. Yeah, and the chicken's not that cold.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

The chicken tastes like frozen chicken, hey.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Yeah. So what would you rate a McChicken instead of McChicken just for old time's sake? Give it about five and a half. Yeah, I give it like I might give it a five. There's nothing wrong with it, but nothing right at the same time. So there we go. You'd have to have these when you're really drunk. Yeah, you need to be like fully fucked to like appreciate that. So we go, there's our food safari. We're now gonna pause to eat the rest of these, because I do actually intend on eating all this shit. And then we will return. We'll be right back.

Pauline Hanson

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Alright, so now that we have digested our food, um, which I we were just saying actually, that was the most stressed out I've ever been on camera. Yeah. It was really, really hard to eat all of that food that makes such a mess. Well, and the food makes your blood sugars go up. So you feel like I feel 30 kilos heavier now. Like I feel like my Oh, I feel the same. There's not I've been I'm uh I think I've maxed out. What is the max level? That's the question. Alright, so um, anyway, so in terms of the big events, I think this week a lot of people are discussing that Pauline Hansen uh and her party One Nation are now the highest polling party in the country. Uh for those who don't know, there was a Redbridge poll, so it's just a polling company that surveys people and how they're going to vote. Um they conducted a poll which put One Nation at a 31% primary vote, Labour was at 28%, the LNP was at 20%, the Greens at 12, and other at 9. Um the two-party preferred was ALP 51 to 49 One Nation, and then uh with the LNP, it was ALP 51 to 49 LNP. Um what were your thoughts when you saw this drop? What have your thoughts been post-budget in terms of the polls and stuff like that? Because I know a lot of people have been quite shocked about this whole ordeal.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

I was a bit surprised in the sense that they got over 30%, which I thought was gonna be very hard for them to do. Like, even like you know, I know in the UK that reform, then they're not at 30, they're not in the 30s, they're in the 20s.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Um but I also felt like the media made more of a ruckus of it than it actually is. Like you've got to place it in context.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

The two party preferred still has Labour ahead. That's the first thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

If those numbers were replicated nationwide, Labour would still win um the election, even if that happened. Like one nation would be the opposition, which is a big deal, but at the same time, the Libs are a mess. Like, I feel like people are taking too much of this away from the collapse of both major parties when it's really much more the collapse of one. Yeah. You know, like it's just a replacement of the Conservative Party in this country.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

But I think now as well, it's progressively moving to adjusting to a three-party system rather than a two-party system in the sense that you know, look at the polling numbers, like everyone is either in the 20s or 30s, gone to the days, obviously, when anyone was kind of in the high thirties or the mid-30s or even the 40s. Yeah. Um, so I'd just say it's more or less solidifying that. But look, my kind of take on that poll specifically is I think we need to just put it in the current climate context, right? Basically, the media is going after the government, like no tomorrow right now, right? I think through the entire four years in office, this has probably been the hardest the media's gone on the government, maybe apart from Bondi. But then even then, after a few weeks, that started to die down, and then once the Iran war happened and that kind of bookended that discussion, right? But I think you know they're throwing all their resources out, you know, you scroll on social media, you see all these business owners with AI photos of Albo having 47% of their business, which is also just not true, which we also debunked in our last um uh in our last episode. But what I'm saying here is is if this is basically them throwing everything at Labour and Labour's still at 51% on the two-party preferred, I think that that's actually a pretty good result.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

It's the middle of the term. Like people need to understand that a Labour government that we've had, right, has actually done extremely well in terms of polling numbers for a long term for a long time, sorry, um, compared to previous governments. Yeah, absolutely. Normally in the middle of the term, they're down uh government by quite a few, and Labour's still ahead, right? Now, I would not be surprised whatsoever if Labour went into negative, like went below. Like it just wouldn't shock me because that's what normally happens, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:42

So do you think it obviously it's probably gonna get worked before it gets better? Where do we think, how bad do we think it's gonna get before it starts to rebound? If you had to guess, if they're at a 28% primary.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

I think it could go down to around 47, 46, but like it's that's the middle, but then like I don't think it's but even on primary, if they're at twenty primaries, they could go down to around twenty-five. That's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

I can't see it going less than twenty-five.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Well, that's the thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Because the like maybe twenty-four might be the I mean look, this might come back to bite us in the arse, but um I think yeah, if you actually look at the coalition of people voting for the Labour Party, the actual voters, it is gonna be quite hard to really shake them any more than they already have been. Yeah. In the sense that I feel like they're a pretty solid block now. I'd say about yeah, 25-26% of them are pretty solid and probably won't move.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Unless the Greens have arise, but I don't think that's happening.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Well, yeah, well, the Greens normally sit at about what eleven? What did they get at the last selection? They got 12%. 12% after their polling 12% that they haven't moved. And I think it also, I mean, just discussing the Greens, and what we've discussed on the podcast before as well. The Greens are such a missed opportunity. And you know what? So the National Party. I know you spoke about this. Like, why do you think national party is a missed opportunity? Because I agree with you.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Well, I think the national party is a missed opportunity because I think it just ties itself to the Liberal Party and conservatism at every single um chance it has. So you think it should be more flexible? I think it should be more flexible. I think it should be for regional Australians. Yeah. Whether that be conservative, whether that be progressive, they should just be for regional Australians, right? Yeah. I I'm not a regional Australian, so like I'm not the target demo. Yeah. But what do you call it? Um, I feel like what's got them in this mess that they're in now, where they're basically facing obliteration, they're probably they're gonna have zero seats.

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Well, I know they're calling for an early election based on budget backlash. Yeah, and they're literally against all the polls basically have them at zero seats. Yeah, zero seats. Um which is it and I mean it just proves that these people are hot air when they're calling for an early election because they know that they don't want an early election. They're just simply saying it to try and, you know, blow it up in the media. Sure. But they don't mean it at all.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Yeah. And I honestly think Albert Albo would do an early election. It's just I feel like he actually has a bit much more um sanity and sanctity for this country that he doesn't want a one-nation opposition. Like, I think it's a bit like that. Like, I think he knows he'd win it. He also has 94 seats, so why would he want to blow that up? But like Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

Well, you do want to use that for as long as possible. Yeah. Look, um, yeah, and as well, just touching as well why the Greens are a missed opportunity. I just think that, you know, since basically when we recorded it, Larissa Waters has been on her tax the one percent, whatever, you know, type of thing. And don't get me wrong, she's hitting all the right notes. She always hits everything right where she needs to hit it, but the communication is just not there. In the sense that tacky. Yes, she makes every good idea tacky, she just does not have any energy behind her, there's no enthusiasm. Yeah, it feels like just a lifeless body. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Yeah, and I think as well, I was really shocked the way the Greens acted after the budget. You'd think they've been fighting for these things for years. You'd think they'd take it as the Greens win or whatever and make it look like the Greens would claim credit for that. They didn't do any of that. They let Labour take it all, which I thought was weird, and then they just went after this whole thing around taxing billionaires. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

And you you'd think they'd I think sometimes this campaign that they're running, although it's good the tax the 1%, whatever it's good, whatever it is, although it's good, I think sometimes they're like too rigidly sticking by it, in the sense that it feels like every time Larissa Waters speaks, it's just exactly the same line. Well, you know. And it's not in an effective way, it's becoming, as we said, an attacky way, in a boring way. Yes, in a disengaged way. Um so yes, I guess that's kind of you know, the greens and I guess part of the LMP covered. Uh we've also discussed the LP and then One Nation. In terms of then actual polling for approval ratings and stuff like that, Albanese, but specifically Jim Chalmers, have also taken hits in their approval. I don't have the numbers here in front of me, but from memory, I saw one poll, I don't know what one it was. Don't take this as gospel, but I think Albanese was down 10 points from the previous poll of whatever poll this was. And Jim Chalmers actually down 13 points from the previous poll again, which is a pretty, pretty meteoric um for especially for Jim Chalmers. It also makes me think, in terms of future Labour leadership, obviously Jim Chalmers would be an aspirant for that, but I think if this budget continues to blow up, and if uh the Australian public always associate Jim with being the guy that handed down that controversial budget, it helps other people in the party, it helps people like Tony Burke, because like Tony Burke's great obviously, and I'm sure he has been speaking about the budget. I can't personally recall much in Parliament Tony Burke saying about the budget. I'm not saying he disagrees with Tony's. Yes, but he just has nothing to do with it, and that that's really good for him. Do you get what I'm saying? Like politically uh in that you know space. And as well, like I must say, someone who is doing good in terms of communication in the Labour front bench is Clara Neal, she's absolutely smashed it. Um I think that she should be out more.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Like, I think Well, yeah, you'd think as the housing minister they'd put her more out everywhere, but you know, again, she might not be tied to it as much as you think she would have been. Yeah, yeah, you'd think that she would be out a lot more often than she was.

SPEAKER_04 16:05

They actually took about a week to even get her out, I noticed. And I'm not saying it's her fault. I think she does a great job. I think she's very clear, um, she explains things very well without making people feel dumb at the same time, which I think is an important skill. Um but yeah, I think they did they did take a bit of time to actually, you know, um get her out. But anyway, so as well, in terms of the poll, the reaction to it now that we've analyzed the numbers, Pauline Hansen said she was shocked by the poll. I think you were telling me that she said it was different to other polls or something.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Well, she she basically been going on about well, a poll's a poll type of thing, like we need to see actual results, but then she said, Well, clearly it's a trend now, she's shocked by it, yeah, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

Yeah, and then as well, she's also discussed that um obviously there's a lot of talk about, you know, she's in the Senate and you can't well you this is the debate now, but typically by convention, every prime minister has had to come from the House of Representatives, and everyone has followed that convention, even um John Gorton from memory, he was in the Senate and then uh he ran for the seat of Higgins, and uh when he entered the House of Reps, then he was Prime Minister. So you know what I'm saying is this is a historical thing, you know. The the um Prime Ministers come from the House of Reps, but she has actually stated that the Constitution does not actually mention that the Prime Minister has to come from the House. Which is true. Meaning, yes, meaning that she can be from the Senate. Yeah. Now, is she really gonna do this? Like, I think that is just so incredibly stupid. Why why do you say that? I'm not sure. Well, it's just like I feel like you just you need to be in the House of Reps the way it's just set up. I just think it's easier to be in the place where you're introducing legislation rather than just voting on it. It's conventional.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

I get it, I get an awkward type of scenario.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

Because then what? So you're telling me that then the Prime Minister, like, so let's say Pauline's Prime Minister in the Senate, you're telling me then she's gonna have to have a like a someone representing the Prime Minister in the House of Reps. Yeah. She was and that person is the Prime Minister in the House of the United States. Should probably be the House of Reps. Yeah, but do you get what I'm saying? It's just gonna be another.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

I know, I it doesn't make sure, but at the same time, it's like there's technically nothing wrong with it.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

Yeah, no, constitutionally I agree, but I mean I just think it would be a dog's practice, and I just don't think it makes sense to do it. We should have a referendum. What? Maybe the Prime Minister. Well no, we should have a referendum as to whether we should abolish the Senate. Reckon? Yeah, absolutely. In Queensland they only have one house, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Uh they do, but now look at what their government's doing. They're getting through everything nilly-willy because they don't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

Yeah, well there's a lot of debate up there about um abortion and stuff. Yeah. And I saw that uh the LNP has some I think the youngest minister or whatever, it's some some woman, she's quite young. Yes. And she's been posting all these videos on behalf of all these old guys, basically saying to everyone very clearly, like, we don't have any plans to change abortion stuff. So where is Labour getting the the idea that the LNP are trying to change abortion for? Wait, what's the basis behind?

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Because I'm not I'm not clued into this. Essentially, in 2018, um the Labour government passed a bill when they were in government in Queensland to decriminalise abortion in that state, right? And it was a conscience vote, obviously. I believe only one Labour MP voted against it, who is now not no longer there. They left in the 2020 Queensland election.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

And all but three LNP MPs, including David Christopher Lee, voted against decriminalising the abortion.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

So is Labour just saying, well, these guys were against it then, so they're probably against it now? Yes. Okay, yeah. So anyway, but Queensland is an interesting case. We should actually probably eventually do uh a further discussion on Queensland. But yeah, so it's very Americanised. It feels very like and there's a lot of interesting characters there that push the boundaries. Um but anyway, we'll we'll save that for another time. But yes, so you know, we have seen before that some parliaments can not have a Senate.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Um I think it goes back though, this whole thing around Pauline wanting to stay in the Senate. It goes back to this whole kind of thing that she's just not accountable, she doesn't realise how popular her party is now, in the sense in the sense that she's no longer just some uh fringe cooker senator from Queensland. She's now like the alternative primary.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Yeah. Well, I think the issue is this Pauline Hansen has no fucking clue what she's doing, right? In the sense that she doesn't know if she wants to move to the House or if she wants to stay in the Senate. She's floating all of these stupid ideas about having a PM in the Senate, right? You know, uh her vetting process is all over the place. I don't think she wants it enough. I don't know. Well no, she wanted to retire. Yes, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

She was setting it up to retire, then this whole thing's happened, so it stuffed her in the neck. So now what the issue is as well, she hasn't put the proper policy platforms. Look at her now, she's doing this stuff about wanting to bring back work choices and be give people pay cuts. Yeah. And it's like I just I don't think she's necessarily. She's not even there half the time. She has a 53%, that's what I was getting.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

And she misses 88% of Senate estimates. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I'm saying. If someone really wanted to be prime minister, you'd think they'd just say outright, yes, I'm absolutely 100% running for a house seat. You know, she's in one day, she's out the other. She needs to confirm whether she's running for a house seat so people know if they can take her seriously, and she actually needs to start developing policy. Because you cannot just say my housing policy is an immigration policy, my economic policy is an immigration policy. Immigration is not actually the centre of every type of policy. It's just not, right? And eventually people are gonna realise how thin this policy platform is, and they're gonna realise I don't want a bar of this or this woman who has organized her party in a complete sham. Anyway, um moving on from Pauline Hansen to another colourful individual, um, still in the Ospol realm, obviously, uh Tony Abbott has also been elected the president of uh the Liberal Party. Um and I think it was Alexander Downer, he tried to run for it. I'm not sure I've been. And then he withdrew his nomination because the thugs took over. Um already I know Abbott's had a lot of influence on Angus Taylor in his office and um basically runs the entire party and I know Angus Taylor as well has been using language in parliament and I noticed this basically right off the bat. Um you know uh axe slaver's toxic taxes, all this shit. It's straight out of Tony Abbott's playbook, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:19

I know they look the they look the same as well. They have that kind of beer kind of skin, you know. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Well, I think see to me I've always thought Tony Abbott looks a bit like a lizard. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, or Taylor. Yeah, not as bad, yeah. Not as bad. Um so yeah, anyway, it'll be interesting to see how that develops, but I know a lot of people are, you know, well I think I just think it's cr I think it's crazy personally that they're going back to Tony Abbott. Well, it's interesting because basically what they're doing is they're betting on people like the average Australian thinking that yes, I liked how things were back in like 2014, and they're just hoping that they associate 2014 with Tony. Do you know what I'm saying? They're trying to go for that, oh things were better back then, but I actually don't think it's a bit of a game.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

I think if you're someone who wants to vote for one nation, you see that, you think, oh that's good, oh that's nice. Yeah, but it's not actually gonna change your vote whatsoever. For sure.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

I think like you know, these people can distinguish a bit, you know, like well I do think as well, one of my predictions, it's I'm not saying this is like an official this is what I think's gonna happen, but I think there is actually a a good potential that Tony Abbott could actually lead the Liberal Party at the next election. I would not be surprised if things just continue staying the same, if not get worse for Angus. And I just don't think necessarily Andrew Hasty is gonna have all the support because I know everyone's flipped on him because of the um Ben Robert Smith stuff and his stance on that. I could see Tony Abbott because he has basically complete control over the party um running in a by-election. Well he wanted to run in a seat. Yeah, exactly, running in a by-election and then immediately becoming leader and leading them to the next election, which would then create one of the most colourful elections in Ospol history, because you'd have Albanese, assuming they don't get rid of him, Abbott, and then also um I do think as well you probably need a new Greens leader in that scenario because Larissa's not gonna cut it for them. Um but I mean speaking about other parties as well, we also have discussions about a teal party. I know Zali Stegel and Allegra Spender were leading them discussions. And uh David Pocock was kind of the one who opened this can of worms in an insider's interview where he basically said that he um is open to joining a kind of teal party. So this party would basically be a centrist party. Um, you know, they would they would um I'm assuming focus on stuff like integrity and environment like they normally do with a bit of fiscal conservatism. Um it would do well in probably seats uh with high wealth and high university education. Um what are your thoughts? Do you think it's gonna happen first off? No, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

I think even if it did happen, it'd last about two seconds. Like I don't even think it'd make it to the election as a.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Well, it would be an interesting thing, right? Because it's like you know, they're all saying, well, I'm gonna contest the next election as a community independent, right? But I mean nothing's stopping them from just calling their party community independence, number one. But as well, number two, it's gonna be an interesting structure because something tells me they're not gonna want one leader. They're either gonna do co-leaders or have no leader. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, or as well, they're probably gonna have to have a free vote in parliament. I don't see them all voting in the same way. But then it it strikes the argument what is the point of actually having a party if we're just gonna operate as independents? Is it all right?

SPEAKER_02 25:31

And I think there's this idea that those seats are completely gone, right? Now, I think that's more the Liberal Party being the state it is than actually them as MPs, right? When you look at the last election, the results, it was pretty um what's the word? Mid. Like it just they didn't really move much. In fact, like I know in Victoria, one of them lost their seats, the other one almost did, Monique Ryan. Yeah, even up here, the most there was a swing to them was like two percent. Yeah, three percent. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like in in an election where the liberals got smashed, you'd expect those areas to completely go. Yeah. So clearly there's a lot of um disgruntled liberals out there who are a bit like, well, you know, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

I still think there's tension in all them seats, in the sense that I like my view is yeah, you know, the libs got wiped out, and the fact that, you know, a lot of the time in these seats, you've actually seen the liberal margin increase in you know, Ku Young. Uh they obviously took uh Goldstein, and then even Bradfield was basically a coin toss. I think Bradfield's definitely going to the Libs at the next election. I think Nicolette Bull has probably been one of the most underwhelming teals ever. Um once again, it's like Larissa, there's just no enthusiasm, there's no energy, there's no interest, there's no intrigue. Well that's a teal though, isn't it? No, but I I think someone like a good example, as much as I'm not the biggest fan, is um Allegra Spender. She has very much developed her brand. She is very much a prominent figure. There is a base behind her. I just don't see that level of number one infrastructure or just energy around Nicolette Buller at all.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Well, I think it's also though a bit of a I think these aren't all homogenous areas, right? I think Wentworth is very different to somebody like Bradfield in the sense that even Wentworth in itself, you've got Bondiographics and stuff as well in these scenes. Well, that's what I mean. Like you've got Bondi, you've got Vaucluse, which are very different in itself, and then you also have pretty much King's Croft in Clover Moorland. So you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

Well, that's why I think Allegra's probably had to have developed that brand. Yeah. Because she basically she needs to appease these social progressives and then these economic conservatives, and now she's just a mix of both.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Well, I feel like Bradfield somewhere in Nicolette Below is a bit more familiar with that area. I feel like it's a lot more old school. I feel like it's a lot more.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

Is it more multicultural?

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Or no? Because I know I know a lot of North Sydney. I think so. I think it'd be more multicultural than Wentworth, because fucking anything probably is. Exactly. Um I think there's a lot of new Indian communities there, even just East Asian, like the whole lot of people. Um there's chats whatsoever, yes.

SPEAKER_04 28:04

Well, I mean, you've got to remember it's traditionally a liberal seat. So what before were all of these migrants in them seats, were they like aspirational liberal type of things?

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Well, no, but they're more new. Like it's a much more newer type of.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

So you think it could be shifting because the demographics are shifting.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

But that I think the liberals who were there old school, they're not the types of Wentworth, you know, Champagne, Simmons, you know, they're a bit more old school. I'm not saying they're like battlers out in Penra. Yeah, that's a different type of deal voter.

SPEAKER_04 28:29

Yes, exactly. And then that that's exactly like, you know, that's exactly right in the sense that, you know, if they're trying to put together a party, if they're trying to unite all of these demographics together, it's gonna be interesting trying to develop a policy platform that can unite maybe, you know, someone from uh Asian descent living in Bradfield compared to someone living in the gay belt in Wentworth. Like it's gonna be tough trying to bring all these people together. Because I mean you've got to remember that's what the Liberal Party is traditionally supposed to do, and it failed miserably. But you've got to remember at the same time it w it had a lot of success for a long period, but yeah, it just hasn't been sustainable over the years.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Well, I just don't think it worked that for the Liberal Party. This is the issue, this is the fundamental issue. They need to understand Australians just aren't when you with conservatism, it's just over. Like social conservatism is kind of dead in this country. Really? I think we're a very socially conservative country.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Why do you think Pauline Hansen's?

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Well, I but I think that's more of a I don't think it's ideologically charged her stuff. I think it's just people wanting to blow it all up and you know, just like I agree with you, but I I think a lot of One Nation supporters would be for gay marriage. I think.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

I agree to an extent. I would say if I had to sum up, and look, I I'm not you know the whisperer of all Australians or anything, but I would probably say like the average Australian is a social uh social conservative and economic progressive because they might think they're an economic conservative, they might like the idea of having a balanced budget, but when push comes to shove, these people with Medicare funded, they want their public schools funded, they want all that stuff. Do you get what I'm saying? People might not realise that they're economic progressives when they are, right? Um but yeah, no, I I think Australia is socially conservative, but but I think they're only it depends from where you can.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

I don't think they're economically left-wing because it's a bit of a selfish thing. They obviously benefit from Medicare. Look at all these housing. Everyone's not used for a selfish thing. It's about but look at that housing stuff, right? All of a sudden now they're all you know socially conservatives, everyone's gonna buy an investment property next week according to them, right?

SPEAKER_04 30:27

I've never seen so many people claim that they were planning on buying an investment property. You would think you would think that they literally had like a scheduled date two weeks later to buy an investment property and now they can't. I think that's what it is. I think it's not. You can't just buy new builds, people, but anyway, we're not getting back into that.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

No, what were you saying? Sorry, I couldn't.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Oh, I I was just saying, kind of, in the sense that people are only really in regards to economics in this country, they're economically left-wing when it suits them, and they're economically conservative when it suits them. Everyone benefits from Medicare, so they don't really care. They're more than happy to give it their 2% Medicare levy to the government. Yeah. But now look at this budget and then look at how everyone's got, as I was saying, was going to buy an investment property next week, everyone you know has a share. I guess what you're saying. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 31:09

It really depends on their mood. It depends, I think it depends on people's view of the government in the sense that you will obviously shift your views a little bit. If you think, oh, this government's not doing too bad, I kind of like this stuff, you're naturally gonna start siding with the government a bit more, and then you're naturally gonna be brought to the more um economically progressive side of things. Where if you disagree with the government, instead of having the nuanced debate that you disagree with them and you're not necessarily either a progressive or a conservative when it comes to economics, they're kind of immediately put into that conservative basket because the government's progressive. Yes. It's it's the opposite of what the government is.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Yeah. Yes, I agree with you. But overall, as I was saying, sorry, we're not with the liberal with the Liberal Party in the sense that of that. If the 2019 election happened now, just in terms of demographics. Well, I mean, look at the polls. Well, Labour would win. Yeah, but Labour would win.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Yes, exactly. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah, Labour still wins on that number. Yes. I mean, obviously, yes, one nation wasn't necessarily in the situation then, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I I think Pete Yeah, that you're exactly right. Yeah, as Oscar and I were saying. And that that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 32:09

That's why this poll is not that bad. Yes. This is what lost Labour. This is what what was the two PP in 2019? 51.5% coalition. Yeah, and now it's 51% to the ALP. No, I know, and the media's gone after them probably just as hard if not harder.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

No, but even if there was a 51.5% coalition thing, which wouldn't happen, I don't I don't see that happening anytime soon, because liberals are dead, basically. Yeah. Um, what do you call it? Labour would win now. Yeah. Yeah. Because of the way the population distribution.

SPEAKER_04 32:38

Isn't the two PP? You've said to me before, once I think the Libs were ahead on two PP, and you're like, Labour still went on the numbers.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

So yeah. In the next Victorian election, for it for a more micro example of how Labour's just mastered uh demographic. Well democracy voting distribution, not stucking it all in safe areas, spreading it around, um, just into Allen, the Victorian government there is very unpopular. I think that's just an objective. Um, however, even on a 52% coalition two party preferred, which back in the day would give the the Libs a majority, basically, that's more seen as a comfortable win. Yeah. Um, Labour would still hold majority government. Labour would still win because their votes have spread all the way from the West, which where they used to have mega margins. Those votes have been drained. Yep. But out in the east, that's where they can kind of winning.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

Because they did well in the federal election. Yes. And there's a lot of uh there's a big Asian vote out there.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Well that it's getting more as again, it's like it's like Bradfield, it's getting more multicultural.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Yes, yes, it's shifting because demographics are shifting again. And uh, you know what, actually, quickly before we wrap up this whole Australian politics section, um, on Victoria, I think um obviously we probably should speak about it in more depth at a future time. Um but I think just yeah, generally there it's gonna be a bit of a shit fight at their election.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Oh yeah, it was last time as well.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

It's just always Yes. What I find interesting about it is the fact that it seems like a lot of people who want to support One Nation in Victoria Um are oh sorry, a lot of people who want to support One Nation federally seems to be drawing the line in Victoria and still kind of sticking with the libs. I've seen a lot of people go vote one nation federally um and then vote Vic Libs. Because there's a lot more tolerance right now for the Vic Libs, I actually think, amongst these conservatives. Well, I think it's also about winnability, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:31

People think they think they can win.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

I think they can win.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yeah, and they understand, well, it probably can split the vote.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Right? Um now at the end of the day, I still think one nation will probably do get over 20% in Victoria. Yeah. I unless it's some catastrophic thing. Because I guess is Jess Wilson, the new Liberal leader in Victoria, has kind of seen as a more centrist type of figure, and some people just will will refuse to vote for that. But I understand what you're saying in a sense that there will be a lot of pragmatics.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

I think there will be and and and it really shows I think that example that people will not vote for one nation if the Libs or a standard coalition can prove that they can win. Yeah. So I think that's really what it comes down to. Obviously, you know, federally, if Angus Taylor can manage to convince people, he can gaslight them if he needs to, right? Because the polls might not say it, but if he really shows them that he is in a position to win the next election, one nation will completely evaporate. Because it's all the people who are just anti-government. They're not necessarily surge really pro-one nation, necessarily. Yeah. It's just whatever is against the government. And whatever the the the biggest one is, they're going to go to because they want to get rid of the government.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Well, look at how the budget's been framed as the most unpopular budget since the 90s, right? Which I call bullshit, but you know, question that because as I said last week, they don't poll every budget like they polled this one. But the coalition's actually gone down since the budget. Yeah. The polling numbers have lowered. So there's clearly now a lot of people who are thinking, well, one nation's the most popular conservatives, so I I I don't want to split my vote by voting liberal.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Anyway, but it it also beggars belief, um, in a sense that whatever happened what would happen in the hypothetical of the Greens did quite well. Then you go in a few. How many Labour voters how many Labour voters do you reckon would flip and go to the ground?

SPEAKER_04 36:16

It comes down to the whole thing. You know, it c it does come down to the whole thing. It in my opinion now, it is a right block and a left block, just like it is in New Zealand. I think we need to stop thinking, uh we need to stop, you know, thinking, oh, well, one nation's only at 31. No, you need to add the 20% of the um LMP onto that, and then what do you have? Like, do you get what I'm saying? Then you're in the majority here voting conservative. That's how we need to look at things, because one nation, you know, there were polls and uh 47% of Australians w uh would be open to one nation and the coalition working together. Now you might think that's a minority, but no it's not because from memory, the ones that actually opposed it, it was like 30 something percent, and then there were some who were undecided.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

I understand that, but I also think at the end of the day there'll always be people who would always vote for one nation but never vote liberal, who would be open to voting one nation, not vote but not voting liberal and the other round round.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

Oh well, in terms of seats, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

But there might not be any Liberals left. Uh right now they're pulling it, they're at twelve. They're gonna get twelve seats apparently. That's what they're getting. Yeah. And no national, so just be liberals.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

So they just becomes a question Labour needs to maintain a majority government to make sure that these guys, all the remnants of these guys, don't pull together and form a minority. Can you imagine that? Uh well there'd all be a bunch of independents, so it's not like if Labor does. Yes because they can't be seen touching one nation because their constituents will just be revolted by that. Anyway, I think that was a pretty lengthy but thorough discussion on all the Australian political stuff.

A.I

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Um I think kind of I think AI is quite political. But I think you said it was more sociological. Yeah. Um so we want to discuss actually, there was a a popular speech, and I will read you the extract here. Um it was at a Harvard graduation. I don't know who this man was, but what was his name? I don't know. I don't I don't have it. Here I have his quote though.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

I think it was an actor.

SPEAKER_04 38:13

Well, yeah, he says here he's a movie star, he claims. Okay, so he says on the topic of A's, by the way, I'm just reading the transcript. So can I just say fuck AI, fuck AI, fuck AI? I'm so glad you agreed. I prepared a completely different speech in case you guys turned on me, but I won't be needing that anymore. Fuck AI, fuck it, fuck it to death, alright? Um, what's the sign language for that? Good, good to know. It's stupid, it's so stupid. Have you tried using it? It's always wrong. Like I asked AI for the fastest way to get from New York City to Harvard, and it told me flicks bus. I'm a movie star, I don't take a bus, a car only. Now, this guy also went on to say that um AI will make mediocre people dumber, right? Now, this is obviously, you know, a very bold, a very brash speech, right? We can very much easily dismiss it, but I think there's a lot of substance here. It shows how a lot of people think about AI. So what do you think about his speech, and then what do you also think about AI generally? Like what are your thoughts? I don't hate AI.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

Like I don't go to bed uh thinking, oh my god, about AI. It just doesn't confirm. There's a lot of people that do actually, but I agree with you on that. It just doesn't concern, but especially from my position as someone, you know, who cares a lot about, you know, I'm an Aquarius, I'm a humanitarian, a and who cares about um stuff around workers' rights specifically, obviously, you know, I'm pro-labour. Um, I think it is scary in that aspect, in a sense that, for example, right, from an analogy, uh, when we got the Metro, right? Um, I was like to Oscar, this is so bad, like all these workers who would have been uh train drivers.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

They hired all of the people to stand in the station It's exactly no hang on, sorry, sorry, I don't mean it completely hijacked. I thought they would only be there for a few months. They're still there. Yes, but that must be a union deal. Yes. I'm assuming, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

But that's exactly what Oscar said. But um I'm like, well, how much do you think they're getting paid compared to what those train drivers would have got paid? They'd be getting fuck all. I don't think train drivers were getting enough anyway. They they were, but like I'm just saying, but these are. These guys probably weren't the train drivers in the first place. Have you seen them? Anyway. So some of them the ones now are real bad. They're like fucking smoking on the job, something fancy.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

No, at least they're gonna be able to do that. Um I I have a completely different view than this guy who did this speech. I and I think it's it's really annoys me that you can't say that you're pro-AI anymore. But I would say generally I am pro-AI, and at the same time, you can be pro-AI and pro-worker. You can be pro-AI and pro-labour in the sense that you know, I think even just just thinking, for example, I have here like AI can not only eliminate eliminate dangerous work, but also repetitive work, right? That improves safety conditions, higher productivity also uh creates potential for shorter working hours, right? There's all of these different things that AI can do that actually helps workers. Now, I also acknowledge that there are many things that it can do that hurts workers at the same time, right? But whether we like it or not, it's here, it's here to stay, and it's inevitable. So we have two options here to go forward. We either stand at a lectern and start screaming at it, or we can actually sit down and work out how to reform this. Because if we don't do that soon, and if we don't do it effectively, then we will be in a pickle because workers will have their rights threatened. But that's why it's so important and it is an imperative that we act now and we act fast instead of just saying fuck AI. I don't think that's constructive.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

Yeah, well, I think the government should own um AI companies. Yes, 100%. I know Bernie Santa said. I don't really understand. I don't know what half would really achieve, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Well, if you have another half that's not Let's say you have 51%, right? It means the government is obviously in control of it, but you can still work with tech companies because they're the ones innovating it, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:03

No, I assumed in the t I was assuming that he meant like 50-50. Not of all companies, just of 50% of companies, but then the other 50% are not regulated. That's what I assumed he meant.

SPEAKER_04 42:16

Oh no, no, I think he means that for each, um, I think he means for each individual. Yeah, that's own half. Same girl, different dress companies. That's fine. I think I I think no one can be angry at that in the sense that you're, you know, if you're pro-business, you're happy with that. If you're pro-government, you're happy with that. I think that's a good middle ground. As I said, it's here to stay. Um, we really need to act on it instead of just yell at it. And I think that, yeah, you can be pro-AI like I am, and also pro-worker. Because we can use it for good.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

If apples and oranges, these people's pay is gonna go down so significantly. The fact that we need to have to bring in a universal basic income. Yeah, and I'm gonna have that basic income can be a lot lower.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

What jobs are AI are gonna create?

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Because you know, very little compared to or very little in terms of pay compared to um the jobs that we have. I think I said the metro.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

Metro job, okay, metro train driver, right? Yeah, um, they're earning a lot less than someone who is doing computer engineering who focuses on AI. Yes, but what I'm saying is is we have a new job that's been created that actually earns more money than a previous job.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Yes, but there's be but there's gonna be less computer engineers than train drivers because it only takes a it's like one of the most studied things that are. Well, if you look at it. There's be more demand for that, so you're gonna have an oversaturation of that market. That's the truth.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

But I but you can't at the same time say that there's not enough people you can't at the same time say that there's not enough people doing computer science and then say, oh, we're now having an oversaturation of it. That's a contradiction. Well, yeah, I understand.

SPEAKER_02 43:47

There are either that many or are there too few. It could be both. This is the issue. If you had a no AI, which I'm not saying that.

SPEAKER_04 43:54

But then we're not having an oversaturation of people getting paid well.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

Like it's it's either an issue or an issue. And I'm saying with AI, you have all these workers in train drivers, or with AI you don't. So I'm saying we should go with the one with less AI. Okay, yes, but I as I said And I said I don't think you measure productivity either without actual workers. No, but just generally it speeds up people's jobs. Yes, in that sense, sure. But like for a lot of people, like, you know, I I don't think a supermarket soon probably won't have any barely any workers.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

Yeah, but I think as well, look at look at the Industrial Revolution, for example. Just like this, there were pros for workers and there were cons for workers, right? But in the end of the day, that was inevitable and the world kept spinning because we either created new jobs uh operating and creating this machinery, um, and do you get what I'm saying? We introduced compensation, stuff like that. So I'm just saying that every every you know few years we will have a big technological development that has both pros and cons, isn't inherently good or bad, right? Just because I'm obviously here arguing the pro AI case against him, it doesn't mean I think it's 1000% good. There's there are pros. No, and I don't think it's a thousand percent bad. And I think anyone's yeah, anyone who thinks it is either 100% good or 100% bad is pretty much object objective I can't even speak objectively wrong, right?

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Yeah. So um but even like the Industrial Revolution, right? The reason why that was set somewhat good for workers in the end of the day was because people started people started seeing the way bosses and stuff were treating workers, so then they organised and formed unions, and there was more jobs.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Do you not think that you know how unions are in decline right now? Do you not think that stuff like AI will not have the same effect in the sense that people will be more outraged, the general public will be more outraged that people are losing their jobs to AI, meaning that uh union power increases because more people are joining unions. That's what I'm saying. I'm all I'm saying is this is really, really complex, and I don't think that we can just say that this is gonna be bad for workers.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

Maybe, but I well, I think it's on on the balance of both, I think it would be more of a negative for workers. I think that's just the truth. No. Because you look at this. Even if a universal basic income, which and those people aren't even technically workers now, God knows what that'll be. People aren't gonna be able to probably live on that.

SPEAKER_04 46:11

Yeah. Look, I'm for a universal basic income, but I don't think that it's necessarily relevant to this discussion. Well, I I understand where you would come from in the sense that, but could you not just compensate people and re-skill and retrain people? Like I don't think the solution necessarily is immediately going to universal basic income right away.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

There's not gonna be there's always okay, there's always gonna be jobs without AI. I'm just saying I think this is the next step that everyone's taking a lot of people. There will always be jobs without AI. Like when you're knocking out jobs like no tomorrow with AI, there's obviously going to be people who are gonna get left behind and not gonna be able to find more work. It's just a it's just a hundred percent, and that's why I agree that there are negatives to it as well. Well, yeah, and that's why I think it's bad for work.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

And as well, you know, it wasn't just academics or movie stars discussing it. Pope Leo also did an encyclical. Um, it was one of his first, I just have notes here, one of his first major focuses on AI. Uh it discussed ethical, political, and social dangers uh that occur when unregulated artificial intelligence takes charge. Um he basically, one of his key quotes was the quote to disarm does not mean rejecting technology but preventing it from dominating humanity. Because he did say that we need to disarm AI. What do you think about generally as well, not just a discussion on AI, but what do you think about do you think the Pope has a lot of influence in this space? Do you think that he's using his influence in a good way? Do you think that it's something the Pope should stay out of? Do you think it's something he should get into? Like, what are your just thoughts about him and the way he's addressed this? Because it just shows, you know, AI is such a big topic, it shows how people are reacting to it as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

He can do what he wants. I'm not I'm not fast. Like, um, what do you call it? I also think from a religious perspective, especially regarding the environment, environmental impacts of AI and all that stuff, because you know, I guess stewardship is a big thing in religion, so you know, I think it is relevant in that aspect.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Um, I have no problem with how Pope Leo is going around about it.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

Yeah, um, I I look, I I was skeptical of Pope Leo initially, I still am, in the sense that I would have liked a much more progressive Pope rather than a centrist one. But I think he's he's proving himself over time is what I will give him. He is starting to, you know, tack but I what I like about him is he is he seems to be consistently tackling relevant issues. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. Um, you know, whether it be talking about uh Trump and the way that he deals with you know ice and stuff like that and the way he's treating people in that way, or you know, if the way he's depicting himself as as you know God or Jesus and whatever, stuff like AI, he always seems to be on the ball, and I think that that is a positive for the Catholic Church. You want it to be relevant and applicable to the modern day society. So as much as I obviously have taken a bit more of a pro-AI stance here, um, I still think that, yeah, no, that's probably a good use of influence, yes. In my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

I still don't think it'll at the end of the day turn around religious decline or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 49:09

No, I'm not saying that at all, but I just think it's a step in the right direction. Harms no one, probably only benefits people when you're gonna be able to do it. Yeah, well, I and I think in the case of the city.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

I can't imagine you're being annoyed by that. I think this is the future of religion, right? I think these religious leaders, especially Catholicism, because of how big it is, will become a bit more like respected figure, a bit more like the Dalai Lama, right? The Dalai Lama is like a r a religious figure. Yeah. But no one really looks at the Dalai Lama as a religious figure. They look at him as someone inspirational spreading wisdom and whatever. Yes. You know, he goes on tours, he goes and speaks to people who aren't, I don't know, I think he's Buddhist or something. I'm not sure what he is from China, I don't know, down south. Um, what do you call it? There's gonna be I think I wouldn't be surprised if the future popes start doing tours.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

Yeah, and just saying, So you wishing to change the communication method? Well, I think that's what this is about. Yeah. Really. Exactly. Well, I don't think he's changing the method, I think he's changing the substance.

SPEAKER_05 50:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

But I as I said, I look, I think it's a step in the right direction. So anyway, I think just wrapping up AI, pros and cons. I think that you can I and I keep saying it because I think it's so important, you can be pro-labour, you can be pro-worker and pro-AI. Fact. We've seen it. No, no, no, no, but you can't. No, wait, we've broken, no, we can. No, you can. On the bounds of probabilities, you can, right? You're the same person, right? We can agree that AI it's very similar to the Industrial Revolution. You said the Industrial Revolution did probably more good for workers. That's even more pro-AI than I am. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Because I'm saying the Industrial Revolution have any well, I guess it's it has everything to do with AI.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

We agreed that it was it was no, it's not specifically about AI then. We agreed it's very similar to AI. And if you think that that had positive effects, I think it's very similar to AI. You did. That's similar.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

I think it's very similar.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

Yeah, it's similar, exactly. So if it's similar and you said that that had positive effects for workers, then how are you gonna say that the similar thing has negative effects?

SPEAKER_02 51:03

I think in the terms of unionism, sure, but that's just because people workers are gonna struggle.

SPEAKER_04 51:07

That's the reason why people will see AI taking jobs and unions will increase power, they'll increase popularity. I think that this will open up new opportunities. But that's an AI bad if creating a union good.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Like a worker good. An AI bad.

SPEAKER_04 51:23

But if if a if something creates a good in the end of the day, I'd say that that's sure probably a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

I don't think that's AI itself. I think we're getting way too technical with the wedding here. I just think I yeah, no, you go, you go. Well, I just think at the end of the day, like I understand everything Oscar is saying, right? And as I've said, um, and as Oscar has said, you 100% good or 100% bad is just not correct. I just think it's it's pretty plain and simple to think that on the balance, it's about the balance, AI will do more harm to workers than good when you're gonna have to introduce universal basic incomes, when unions are gonna have to become relevant.

SPEAKER_04 52:03

Universal basic income. I haven't heard a single world leader talk about universal basic income. Introducing it into the European countries. No, but as a response to AI specifically, I've never heard of that as a specific response. What a response is is actually reforming it. So for example, in China, I sent something, this is source Instagram, so bear with me here. But they uh banned uh AI, uh they banned employers' abilities to get rid of work uh to get rid of workers because AI could do the job. Yes. That's the reform that we need. This is what I'm saying. It can it can very much so be a good thing. Of course. So I think the idea that it's gonna be a bad thing on the balance of probabilities still is not true. All I'm saying is let's stop complaining, let's get acting because there's things.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

That's regulating AI to make it not bad.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

If AI, you know, everything's regulated, right? And and the way you regulate isn't that the way that you well, it is to an extent, not as much as we want to. Everything is regulated, and them regulations impacts whether that thing is a positive or a negative. Like I think you're really playing around with the AI. I understand that, but regulation is directly how people use or interact with something, right? Meaning that that means that it's either gonna have a positive or a negative impact on society. I think you're getting way too wrapped up in words. Or look, what let's look for common ground. We can agree there's pros and cons. Yes. Um, but so do you just back to my thing, do you think you can be pro-AI and pro worker? Not really, no. Okay, so there we go. Not really strongly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Like, like it's just yeah, because I think if you can be I think you can be anti-AI and pro-worker.

SPEAKER_04 53:40

I'm gonna doubt you're pro-worker, I understand your perspective.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

I get what you mean in a sense that for for an white-collar jobs, sure, right? That is pro-worker. That is pro because, you know, as you were saying, for that person it's probably going to be more productive, right? Even though they're not really using their brains as much, but you know, that's the truth. But I think that's completely much more of a minimum, like a minimum growth compared to a maximum decline of blue-collar jobs and people and low-skill jobs.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

Yeah, look, I I understand your perspective.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

People who are in probably more negative positions as well. These are people who are probably poorer and probably don't have as much money anyway.

SPEAKER_04 54:21

And so, you know, if you're gonna have to logic, right, that means that the workforce generally becomes a white-collar workforce, right? And if you're acknowledging that people who are blue-collar workers are earning less money than white-collar workers, if they all progressively become white-collar workers, but no, you you disagree to me that society transitions to white-collar jobs, that does mean that being better.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

There'll be less overall jobs. So there'll be people who will be left behind and stuff. I still don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 54:50

I think the more the more we introduce into society, including AI, the more jobs that we need to actually. Because even then, with AI, you're gonna need jobs working on it, then also reforming it, regulating it, studying it.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

And that's the growth. That's the growth. And that's the and that's the um other probability and the other side of it, right? I'm just saying think about like an office and the white collar, right? Yep. Um, there's obviously gonna be less white-collar jobs in the workplace than blue-collar jobs. Those are massive warehouses and stuff. And I I also understand as well it's more of a foreign.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

You're saying sorry, generally, there's more blue-collar jobs than white-collar jobs. Yes. Yeah, I don't I'd around agree with that. I mean, I I don't have the stats in front of me, but yeah, that's a fair argument.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

I understand what you're saying. And you know, you can't transfer all those jobs to white-collar. You just can't. Like it just it's not the math ain't mathing.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

But if you're getting rid of blue-collar jobs, then they are gonna naturally transition to the jobs, not all of them. You'll just lose, you will lose them. No one's never gonna fully transition.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

Not that's right. And of course, when you do that, there'll be workers who'll be left behind. Yeah. Um, and that is a negative of AI.

SPEAKER_05 55:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

Well, we're gonna have to roughly agree to disagree, but not fully disagree. Like, I think we're roughly on the same page. Um,

Hollywood

SPEAKER_04 56:05

however, you know, moving on as well, just from all the political stuff, yeah. Uh, this not this week actually, it was what, two weeks ago? I think it was May 22. Uh, Star Wars released their first movie in seven years since the rise of Skywalker, which absolutely bombed, um, in a negative way, but I'm not using that word in a positive. Um, it was the Mandalorian and Grogu movie. Um I've seen it, you haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

I don't I I I was saying to Oscar actually, I got into Star Wars quite late. Like I watched all the movies like in I don't know, year four, so it wasn't pr pretty late for most people. And I I've completely forgotten it. Like I've completely forgotten most of the plot and whatever.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

So, did you watch every single movie from 1 to 9 plus solo and rogue one? Yeah. And but any TV shows? No, there were there weren't any around in year four. They didn't release Mandalorian until 2019.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

I re I remember watching a bit of that, but it it didn't interest me to be honest that I've never been a really TV show person, more of a movie.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

Yep. Anyway. Yeah, um, so look anyway, in terms of the actual movie itself, I personally thought it was quite a good movie. I would rate it around a 7 to a 7.5 out of 10. Um I think generally it was a safe movie. It's not gonna really annoy anyone, even the people in the Star Wars community who are easily annoyed, kind of the more Star Wars is interesting because the fandom's very politically charged. There is a large conservative group who is basic who have basically taken control of the fandom um who are anti-sequel trilogy. Um now I'm anti-sequel trilogy, but I also recognise that people like Star Wars Theory and stuff like that. They're extremely the way that they speak about things, they basically they don't like the movie because they think the movies are not this one, but the sequel trilogy are pushing an agenda. They think that it's too woke, right? I that's not why I dislike the sequel trilogy that released a few years ago. I just think it's bad storytelling. Right. So it's just it's a whole politically charged thing. But then people don't seem to be annoyed with this one. Um, no one seems to be annoyed with this one, but the issue for it at the same time is no one seems to be motivated by it. No one's moved, right? And we've also seen that through the actual um how it's been doing at the box office. So the actual budget for this movie was 165 million, right? Which is actually quite a lot cheaper than recent Star Wars movies, right? Um so on the opening weekend, uh in the US, I believe, it uh raised 82 million domestic, and then around the world it made around 165.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

So basically it got It's in equity, like it's in the equity.

SPEAKER_04 58:38

Yeah, so it's pretty much yeah, moved to that realm. However, the issue has been since I believe the actual viewership in the box office has basically gone down to like a quarter of what it was in the opening weekend, right? Right. So it actually had a pretty good performance on the first weekend and now it's gone to shit. It's being beaten by two movies, it's now gone to third, which is the quickest any Star Wars movie has ever gone down on the list of box office ratings. It's being beaten by the movie Obsession, which is apparently some like indie made movie that only had like a $700,000 budget. That's actually gonna become the most profitable movie ever because I think they've made like 200 million, and since it was such a low budget, they're making a shit ton of money. I don't know what it's about, but a lot of people are talking about it, and that's actually overtaken Star Wars. I think it's in the name. I think it's just about stalking.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

I have no idea. I literally know. I've only seen like a TikTok come up or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 59:33

I haven't seen anything, I've just heard it, I've just heard Star Wars fans discuss why it has overtaken Star Wars. And then on top of that, I think that Backrooms movie or whatever has also overtaken it. I've seen some stuff about that, I don't know much about that either. So it is quite concerning to the brand generally and to many fans that it has already kind of seen a fall off because clearly the viewership was all people like me who are motivated Star Wars fans who are gonna watch it no matter what. Yeah, but it basically hasn't had good word of mouth um because people aren't going to see it. You know what I'm saying? No normal average person is going out to watch this movie, it's just the Star Wars fans who have gone out to see it. Um so it has also opened lower than Solo, which was the worst performing Star Wars movie. They lost a lot of money on that, and that movie caused Disney a lot of issues because basically they had writers for it, um, and then them writers and directors started filming the movie, but then halfway through they shat the bed and then uh Disney let go of them, they then put Ron Howard in to finish it, and they had to do extensive rewrites, extensive reshoots for solo, and it it absolutely you know bombs in in a negative way when it released. So it's actually done lower than that. Um it's also been lower than The Rise of Skywalker and The Force Awakens. The Rise of Skywalker was the ninth, which of the sequel trilogy performed the worst, and a lot of people blame um The Last Jedi on that. You have seen The Last Jedi, haven't you? Yeah. I think you said that that was one of your favourites. It was, which is from what I remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

I I can't I haven't watched them all, but uh from I don't know, nine-year-old Oliver. Yes, that one I like that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:11

Yeah, see, I know a lot of people, including myself, that we think that that was the one where things went out the window because the issue with The Last Jedi is a lot of it is to do with Luke Skywalker, right? You watch the original trilogy and he was built up to kind of be someone who runs towards their problems, who is always calm and collected, especially when we left him in The Return of the Jedi. He chose not to kill his father when he had the opportunity because he trusted there was still light in him. What does he do then in the sequel trilogy? All of that character development is thrown out the window and he tries to kill his nephew right away, right? So a lot of people basically think we've had all this time building up to these new movies, and they've just completely disregarded that and thrown that out the window because basically there were multiple directors and they could not get their shit together and there was no cohesive plan for that trilogy. Right. So that's why there was a lot of hate. So basically, like what's wrong with a bit of a shake up? Yeah, a shake-up's fine, but I think a shakeup is a few. I don't like black holes. I understand I don't like black holes, but that's not a black hole. No, but I mean the fact that a lot of that stuff and a lot of the transformation of what happened to Luke Skalka happened off screen, we only had flashbacks of it, I would say that's a black hole. Because we see him in seven at the end of seven when he's standing on that cliff, and we had no context, and in eight they gave us very limited context with just flashbacks, right? So it's just the fact that you leave this guy, he's patient, resilient, and then we see him and he's just a mess, and we don't really understand why. And they don't do a good job of explaining it either. So I would argue that that's a bit of a black hole there. Um basically people argue that that trilogy is what has also tanked the recent movie because the brand IP's done worse. See, but I I I just call a bit of bullshit on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

I think it's a big thing. In what way?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:03

Because the numbers have gone down after every movie that's released.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:06

Sure, but I think that's just to do with um online streaming and people not going to the fit to the theatres. It's just the truth. Like since COVID, no one would.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:13

Maybe, but 2018, for example, when Solar released, was it 2018 or yeah, it was around then, it's 2018. Yeah. Um there was no Disney Plus at that time. I think Disney Plus came out in about 2019 because it launched with The Mandalorian. So I'm just saying people weren't necessarily watching Star Wars or streaming Star Wars, and that was previously the worst streamed movie. But that's also a spin-off. It is, of course it is, but it's spin off from one of the most popular characters.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

Sure. But I I I just think you can't I don't think you can measure spin-offs with the actual films.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

Of course, but you can measure spin-offs with spin-offs, and Rogue One, which came out two years before Solo, did significantly better than Solo. Right. Yet the second The Last Jedi released in the middle of it, I think Rogue One. Rogue One's like the second best stars movie behind Adventure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

I I remember watching that. Again, I haven't watched these in ages, but I just no I remember not liking them. I think as well, I think this is just a broader discussion regarding um online streaming and stuff like that. I just think it these things are going down, not really because of the fan because the fandom probably makes up a very small amount of the people actually going to watch these movies. Like the truth is that normally it's just people who die Oh yeah, Star Wars. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I think now the fandoms the ones who are engaged, but no normal people are engaged. And I think the normal people lost interest because the quality of the sequel trilogy was so bad. That's basically my overarching thing here. This movie, although it's good, is underperforming because the sequel trilogy basically ruined Star Wars' brand reputation and the numbers are there to prove it. That's basically what this entire segment is about, right? Right. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

Yeah, but I I just really struggle with that because I just think people are just not going like I don't think if if you're not a Star Wars fan, you're just not motivated to see it. Now, you're basically saying, oh, that's because the last tr the trilogy, the sequels, uh weren't very good. I think it's more just of a um out of Star Wars in real world thing where people are like, oh I'll just watch that on when it comes on to the thing. And I know what you're saying about solo being lower.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:16

Yeah, but okay, even then, a more modern context, right, with streaming out. Let's look at Marvel with Spider-Man No Way Home. Yeah. That was a massive movie where they brought all three Spider-Man back together. 2021, Disney Plus was out. People could stream, but people were motivated to get out there, and for two reasons. The movie actually looked good, number one, yeah, but number two, the Marvel brand in 2021 was in a really, really good place, right? So what I'm saying is this movies still can do good with streaming, but you need a good franchise setup. Absolutely. Okay, I've been up and hunting because of the marketing. The Koku marketing budget was over a hundred million dollars. I had no clue. I had no clue that one is the thing. You don't want to make money. Spent the money. Sure, but they clearly haven't. They clearly haven't. You might not be the target demographic, but the money has been.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

I don't think I'm the target demographic for Oppenheimer or Barbie. I think for Barbie. Have you seen yourself? Seriously. Anyway, so but like I had no clue that this movie was coming until Oscar Tommy. Like I had no clue whatsoever. Yeah, I remember when they announced it, and I've been waiting for it ever since. So uh that's what well that goes back to what you were saying, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:25

Clearly you're part of this fandom. Yes. And I'm the only people who went to see it, yes. Yep, and the casuals didn't see it. Yeah. Evidence, right? Literally, casual versus fans. Yeah, right. So that proves what I'm saying. Yes. But you're you're still arguing that it has nothing to do with The Last Jedi. Basically, that's what your argument is. Well, yeah, when the Rise of Sky The Rise of Skywalker was the last one, wasn't it? Yeah, but the Last Jedi is what sent it over a cliff, and then the Rise of Skywalker is basically like a consistent like shitting the bed because we don't know how the fuck to clean up the bullshit that we've got to do. The Rise of Skywalker kind of ended it all in a way. Well it was, it was supposed to be the it was the ninth one. It was the end of the Skywalker saga. Yeah. Now the issue is, is we've only had, you know, since then we've only had one spin-off and we've had a few spin-off TV shows, right? Andor's done really well. People like Andor. Um you you would like Andor, it's very politically motivated. Um the Ahsoka TV show, that's a really good. Um what's the other one? The uh The Mandalorian, obviously, stuff like that. My point is, is everything has just been spin-offs. It's now time for Star Wars to turn the page, right? It's time to start a new chapter and start a new saga. You get what I'm saying? Yes, well, they they're looking at doing a trilogy. It was announced yesterday, actually, um, that two writers were gonna take that on. But I mean, uh Disney and Lucasfilm have a ridiculous turnover rate with all of these writers. Like, if you look back at like, I don't know, basically from when they bought it, I think they had like a 70% well it was it was down to Kathleen Kennedy who ran Lucasfilm. She was the CEO of it and she had a very autocratic control over the whole thing. Right. Um, she was very fussy, a lot of rewrites, um, a lot of clashes with uh with writers, stuff like that. She didn't like people's treatments, people's ideas, stuff like that. Um, and I just think as well, the second Disney bought it, they went way too hard too fast. Do you get what I'm saying? But really, I think what people want is they want, as I said, to turn the page, start a new chapter, start a new saga, right? From start to finish, have it planned out, take your time, but don't rush it. People want good quality movies rather than rush slop. Like that's my that's my take. Because when you get rushed slop, we end up down the drain here where we're looking at a movie that has performed relatively badly despite it being good because the brand's in the band. So I just think we need to take time, regroup, and actually start making good stories. And I think that goes as well for all of Hollywood, all of you know film and stuff like that. It's always should be quality over quantity.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:53

Because you I think it I just think it goes down to marketing now. Like I think that's just what it is. I do, but 100%. But you can't fathom.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:00

You can't fatten the pig on market day. You can't really mark market a shit movie very well because it's about the trailers. You need good content in the trailers.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

Of course you can't fatten a pig on market day, and I think that's what they've tried to do here. I've only found out about this now once it's been released.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:13

Sure, but it's a good movie as well. I'm saying I think it's a good movie, and the marketing set it down, right? Right. But you know, we're we're arguing that you know they need to start making good movies with good marketing because the good movie would have the substance to market. Well, even then, mate, like I remember we watched Barbie. I did not like that. No, that was actually a pretty bad movie. The marketing was great. Yeah, the marketing was fancy. That's how I got everyone out to go. There were like Barbie burgers that grilled, yeah. There were the you could barbify yourself, remember all of that? Yeah, that's it. Everything was all Barbie themed. Yeah. I didn't mind Oppenheimer, I didn't mind that. Did you watch it? I did. Did you not? Did you not watch it? I didn't mind it. What I don't even know who Oppenheimer is. Didn't he make some bomb?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

He made the bomb that dropped on Japan in the Second World War.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

And then he gave, I think from memory, he gave the nuclear because only America had it. He leaked it to Russia because he didn't want one country he didn't want one country having control of the nuclear power in the world. He wanted it spread. Because then from Russia it went everywhere. Okay. Interesting. Well I've never watched it. Maybe I should.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:13

Anyway, I think more of them if you you watch it what? There, like you don't watch it at home. You get Okay, so I've never watched it in my life. Okay, there we go. Well anyway, I I think we actually had uh an insightful range of discussions from our food safari to Pauline Hansen, and you know what I also realised we actually we had a prop here the entire time and we forgot to use it. Um I will attempt to pull it out without knocking the camera open. Did you realize that we forgot to do this at any point? Okay, I thought we may as well. Um how are we gonna do this? Let me get rid of the laptop here. Um Pauline for people listen for people listening.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

I don't want to I'm gonna put my mic down for a second. For people listening, this is a life-size Pauline Hansen cutout. It's signed by her. Don't ask how he got it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:00

There we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:01

It's signed, look at it. Who wants to buy it? Do the biddings.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:06

Can you imagine all the cookers trying to buy it? I'm just trying to put her back down without smashing everything. Anyway, so yeah, we had an interesting discussions about Pauline, um, AI and stuff like that. I'm sure that a lot of people probably disagree with us and attack us and all of that. No one's gonna attack us more than the Michael Jackson fans, I can tell you that. Oh my god. As we wrap up, we'll just quickly touch on it. You know, w we we spoke about Michael Jackson um for like 30 seconds in our last um in our last episode. And I I put a clip up of m of us speaking about it because I it was it was literally rage bait, right? And people fucking fell for it. Every every man and their dog was commenting on our video, attacking us personally, you know, and all I'm saying is let's not go into Michael Jackson, but no normal fan base would do that, right? You guys proved our point. This is cult type of shit. Do you get what I'm saying? You get Donald Trump of the music world. Yes, you might say, oh well, maybe the Swifties would. When we've talked about Taylor Swift, they didn't say anything. Maybe Justin Bieber would. You were very harsh on Justin Bieber. We only had three, three or four comments attacking us. No one else is behaving like this. Take a good look at yourself, you fucking weirdos. And as well, we didn't even mention I want to get the comments up. Let's put them up with the thing. I have a few in mind. People said that my head was diagonal. That's the that's the highlight. That's good. Um there were there were quite a few ones. I didn't get many. You figured I'd get a bit more. I think it's because I introduced the boys. I think I was the first one and everyone saw that and just got really angry.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

It it I really want to do a deep dive into my not not today. This is like the day I'm just gonna and every time we've only touched on it, we've never gone into. He just he really um the way that Fandamax, the way he conducted it, like. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:46

I feel like you guys need to grow up. No, but it feels like He's an artist. Like who cares?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

You've had a zombie apocalypse, you've had a zombie apocalypse, and they're the last two rational people alive. That's literally what's happening.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:55

Yes, and then people say, people say, oh, well, he has he has the best-selling album, yeah, no, the monkey bubbles. You know what? I wouldn't mind having a monkey. Yeah, fucking. People say, oh, he had the most um the highest streamed album in the world. From memory, what year was it, like 1984, 85, whatever? Most people who have kids now weren't even alive then, right? A lot of people having kids, like there's parents out like now who weren't alive then, right? That's basically half the population weren't even alive then. That's like saying Frank Sinatra is like, you know, this guy's alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

They say like he had five billion fans when God knows how many people were on earth. They say that he um smuggled all these children out of Epstein's island into bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:37

People are full-on gaslighting themselves to say that Michael Jackson tried to save everyone on the Epstein Island by making another island. No, did Michael Jackson just fuck around? Like, did he go to the island? He went to the island of the fucking land full of kids. Wake up to yourselves. Um, what else? Some fucking schizophrenic tried to accuse us of being part of some fucking crime family who tried to steal all of Michael Jackson's money. Wake up to yourselves, listen to yourselves. Anyway, we're not I'm calm, I'm calm, it's fine. Anyway, so yes, good discussions. Hopefully we don't get attacked as much for the AI stuff. At least, you know, we had different views, so at least both sides will be happy.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:15

You get what I'm saying? No one can be angry at that. There's a pretty centrist nuanced debate. Well, you're about to go on about Michael Jackson. Oh, he threw a fucking chart off the balcony.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:22

He almost threw a chart.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:23

Did he?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:24

He had it, he dangled. Did you see it?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:25

Yeah, he was dangling. It's just a weirdo. It's just a weirdo. We haven't even we haven't even spoken about um the charges against him. No. Anyway, but we can't we can if you guys really want. Let us know if we want to market. And then yes, so on top of the AI, then we also discussed Star Wars and movies. So I think we had a pretty broad range. And um, yes, we'll be back in a fortnight, probably disgracing ourselves in new and innovative ways. Thank you for watching. Adios.