Introduction

SPEAKER_03 0:03

It looks like a mess. It looks like it is well in super blue and with a bunch of feathers on the floor. I don't like the green. I give it a light. I give it a full feature.

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Welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Oscar Thompson, the show that discusses money, power, sex, and culture. Despite the host having none of the above. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the delusions and propaganda about to grace your ears. Hello everyone!

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And welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Oscar Thompson. Money, power, sex, and culture. And today, we've actually yes, we will. We've been brought special gifts from Large Brig McMill himself.

SPEAKER_04 0:49

I really wanted to try the creme brulee pie from McDonald's. So, oh god, and that was a whole thing in itself. I've posted on my Instagram story if anyone wants to know that stuff. I'm not going into it. But essentially, McDonald's have brought back the creme brulee pies after four years. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

I didn't even know it was on the menu a while back, but really? So they've brought it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but they've gone, they're they've shrink, they've shrunk. Yeah, I know they're quite small. Like it's quite a small package, so shrinkflation. So um And also they've risen the price. They have what how much do they cost now?

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Okay, not by much, but like think about it percentage-wise, it's gone for a dollar fifty to two.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Yeah. I mean, do you reckon that's adjusted to inflation from four years ago? Well, how much do you think inflation is? Oh, we're not about to do maths right now. We're not seriously. Point is it's gone on.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

Anyway, I I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

I look, I've had a few bites. I'm personally, I'm a bit more 50-50. I'm not gonna rush to go and get this. Like, it's nothing too special.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

Yeah, but some people really hate it. I saw someone say this would be like baby food. We should kind of got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

I don't really see how it would be baby food.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

Like it kind of tastes a bit like a text food.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Yeah, I think it's more like the custard and stuff, but it is because he was running across fucking Sydney trying to get these to this recording. Anyway, um on more pressing matters, apart from our food expeditions. We should do ASMR actually. Like a mukbang type of thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

Yeah. Anyway,

Met Gala

SPEAKER_03 2:15

so um this week uh quite a big event happened actually. Um, the Mat Gala. So to give everyone a bit of background, um, the theme this year was Fashion is art.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

Was it? No. So this is where everyone can be convinced.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Oh really, it's not. What is it?

SPEAKER_04 2:30

That's the dress code. Right? Yeah. And I think what we're gonna say, because I haven't even seen most of these, but from what I've kind of seen forcibly, the actual theme is costume art.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Okay, it's the same shit.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

Seriously, that's the same shit. No, no, I feel like Ali, seriously. Okay, because I think we were expecting a lot more like big colours, big whatever. Yes, that's fashion in the art, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

But it seems as if they're taking it more as a costume, like costume part.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

Yeah, yeah. Okay, I kind of get what you're saying. But look, my kind of thing with the theme is I I think it's failed on two aspects. I think the organization actually failed. Because like, look at the carpet. Nothing about that screams art to me. It's just a plain Do you get what I'm saying? It looks the same as every other year. It actually looks more bland than other years. When I heard art, I thought it's gonna be bold, creative, colourful. Nope, it's the most boring carpet we've ever seen. So the organization? Yeah, I know, and that's another thing. The organization failed, but also I think the attendees failed, right? Now, I think you need to find a balance between between what? I want to put it on. Yeah, you need to find a balance between wearing something completely ridiculous and wearing something really, really boring. And I think this year people either wore something really boring or really ridiculous. There wasn't much in the middle. And that okay, no, no. I I I actually thought, because you know, I came up with quite a few, you know, good good lines and and thoughts when I was actually looking at some of the costumes and outfits, whatever you fuck you want to call it. But I thought, you know what, I'm gonna s I'm gonna keep it not personal. Oh. I'm gonna just go for the outfit. Look at here. Let's see how long that lasts for. Obviously. No, because I'm like, I'm not here to like shame anyone's bodies or anything like that. Like, I'm not here for that business. Anyway, what were you what were you gonna add to the um you said you had something to add to the theme. I know that was it, no. No, you've said everything you need to say. Okay, so we're gonna get right into rating some of the outfits. Um Have you seen all of these? Well, I had to fucking put the thing together, didn't I? It doesn't fucking get done on its own. Seriously, sorry. I mean, I wish I hadn't fucking seen them. This took me about 30 minutes this morning finding the best one.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Because you know, we are real good fashionistas. We should have fashion to our I know that's the thing as well, right, guys?

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Like we're clearly very, very qualified to attack all these. We we we weren't available on the mailing list for Death Swear Prada 2, so that's why we weren't. As a matter of fact, actually, I think next year we should be invited. And Anko Scarla. Yeah, Anko should sponsor us, Anko that came up brand close. And we will rock up and that fucking that will be the best carpet you've ever seen, trust me. Anyway, let's get let's get to ranking. Now that we've listed our qualifications.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

Right, I just want to add what you've just set me off now. But you've got to think. No, I think um, if we went, we we're gonna be like beyond the sorry, we're gonna rock up. We're gonna want the attention.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

No, she's never I don't think she's been invited. No, she might be. But I've seen her with her naked kind of look around the place, and it's not it's not flattering. Because we do like with attention thinking figures. Somebody would know who the fuck we are. Yeah, exactly. Well, but that's that's the thing as well, and we'll see it in a minute. Um, a lot of the people who wear the big bold outfits, I have no idea who the fuck they are. Exactly. But you know what? Fair enough, because it's work. Anyway, let's get to ranking the outfits. We're gonna rank them uh out of ten, and then we're gonna elaborate on them. So the first one is uh Anna Wintor, who runs the show. What do we think? What's your ranking out of ten? Come on, spit it out. What's the I'm just struggling to see. It looks like a mess. It looks like she's rolled in super glue and with a bunch of feathers on the floor. I don't like the green. I'd give it like I'd give it a four or a five.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

Does she dress as a Native American? Like seriously.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

I mean, you know what? You know what? It's another colour.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

No one loves the Native Americans like we do. I think the Native Americans dress better than she does. Of course. That's my hot take. So what are you giving? I'll give it a s come on, six and a half. Nah, you've been way too generous. Alright. You reckon? The next one. What did you give it? What was your? I said that it was a four or five. Okay, bad bunny. What do we think? Have you seen this? No. Yes, I've seen this. So he dressed up as an old man. This is just the weekend from eBay's. Yeah, remember when he dressed up. Remember that? Um, for the Dawn FM album? Yeah. Uh look, I would say, look, there's not much wrong, there's not much right. I admire the kind of creativity that he's tried to dress up as an old man, but I don't really understand how it's nothing to do with being anything like that. That's getting a two.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Sorry. You reckon I'd give it a only thing that saves it is that little bow tie. No, see, I think that ruins it. I think that ruins it.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a but how I don't I'm gonna give it a six.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

You know what? At least he's trying to do something different. So what were you? A two and a six. Alright. Sabrina Carpenter. We had a lot to say about her last week. Yes, we did. And you know what? She's redeemed herself. I think that she was one of the best dressed. Um, I think that it was the perfect balance between being creative and fitting the theme and not taking the piss. Do you get what I'm saying? So I would give that outfit, I would say, maybe like an eight or a nine. An eight. An eight, yeah. One of the better ones. Any analysis or no? No. We're just gonna get it. An eight. Fair enough. Moving on. Oh my god, this is just disgusting. But Katie. Uh Katie Perry, right? Now, she I've been saying it all day, and maybe people don't see it, right? But she looks like a toilet seat. Like, I just see the face as like the water at the bottom of the toilet, and then the kind of surrounding helmet as like a toilet seat.

SPEAKER_04 8:05

Well, she's done the costume part.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

But what what about that is art? I don't get it. She just I know what you're saying. It's a costume. But like seriously, apart from the helmet, it's just a white dress. Like, it's only the helmet that's being talked about. Well no, I'd say like the this area is a little bit. It's just a weird shape. Look, I I'm giving it, I'm giving it what. What are you gonna give it? Maybe a maybe a six, five, oh okay. It's not bad. It's not bad, but it's just like I just I'm just gonna give it a seven, I think. Okay. She needs to bring Justin Trudeau, though. Where was he where was he? Can you imagine that would have actually made headlines if they walked in together and all? Oh my god, the next one. So some I don't even know who this I knew who she was.

SPEAKER_04 8:42

Heidi's her name. Heidi. She was on that, she was a judge on America's Got Talent. Remember that show? Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Oh no, I I watched it actually. Um she decided to dress up as a statue. So what do we think? I'll let you go first.

SPEAKER_04 8:55

Well she did the f I Well she got the theme. Like, this is what I meant.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

That's the one thing I'll give to her. That's about the only thing she has going for.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

But again, this is what I think all of these uh people who are gone have missed. The dress code was fashion is art, right? Yeah, you're getting theme technically but they're all dressing as if Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

I don't know, you're getting you're overthinking. Anyway, but I I think it's it's an unflattering costume, to be honest. Um bit of a ripoff of Doja Cat. That's stupid though. That was just weird. But that's the thing with this one. I just think it's a bit weird. It weirds me out. No one wants to no one wants to see that. You've gone a bit over the top. But I mean, at the same time, fair enough, because we're talking about her. Like it's done the job, right? A for effort, but it's just, I don't know, it's weird. I'm gonna give it like a look, like a three. That's being generous as well. That's being generous. Thoughts? What did you rank it or no? Six. Six, okay. Oh, for Jesus Christ. Who is so that's I don't know who this is, but seriously, it looks like she's wearing someone's school project. Like, remember Book Week where everyone dresses up and you know they're all wearing stupid shit hanging off of them that their mum helped them design?

SPEAKER_04 10:01

She looks like she looks like Groot. Like, seriously.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Literally, seriously. So what do you what do you rate that?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

I don't even know who this is, I don't know who you are. This is Nathan though.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

She's it's costume. Well, yeah, it's a but how are you supposed to walk in that? There's no way. She would have had to have been lifted through the whole thing. I I'm giving it. Look. As I said, it looks like a school project that someone's worked really hard on. I'm gonna give it maybe a three. What are you giving it? I'm gonna give it a five.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

A five, okay. I guess for colour. Because I was thinking you know what I was thinking intently? It's either a four or a six. So I'm gonna go in the middle. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Oh, this is ridiculous. No, but she this is the one. She Emma, Emma Chamberlain. Did you know who Emma Chamberlain is? I have no idea who's really?

SPEAKER_03 10:43

I I see her every year at the Met Gala, but I don't get the point.

SPEAKER_04 10:45

See, that's so so I'm just gonna do a detour for a second. Okay, we're gonna get the first one. Because this is interesting, because I knew Emma Chamberlain when she was like on YouTube and stuff. Yeah, okay, so what is her? She used she used to do vlogs and she was with um James Charles and all of them. Okay, right. So she's in that kind of yeah, yeah, okay, got you. But then she kind of detoured when it all went to shit, and then she became she got the job at Vogue and now she's really done well.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So she's working at Vogue.

SPEAKER_04 11:11

Yeah, she's I think so. I'm not sure anyway. She's doing something. She's doing it. Yeah, no, she's a model. She's a model from this.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

So uh anyway, what what are your thoughts? What would you do?

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Well, I thought she was the one who's done the from what I've seen, done the most correct.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Well, it kind of looks like paints and stuff like that. So I'll give that to her. Um but actually cra crazy how hefty. It is, it is down the bottom. Yeah. Look, I just think in the end of the day, she and I I'm not trying to do a personal attack here, like I'm more attacking the whole outfit and the whole look. Like I'm not here to body shamera and hang, but she just looks like a drowned rat. Like, I don't know a way that I can sugarcoat it. I just think that the dress just completely like washes her out. I just don't think it's a good look. I like the other one, I don't think it's very flattering at all. I think, you know, she's definitely on theme. I'll give that to her. Like, I'm not gonna rank it really shit, but I'd say like what? Four, five? Really? I was gonna give her a nine. Nah. Nah. Looks like someone made that in an art class. Like it's not. But that's the point. This is like fake. Yeah, I know. Well, I guess. So what would you give it again? A nine. A nine, okay. Oh, that's interesting. Is that Cardi B? That's. Or is that Nicki Minaj? I think. All the same shit. But seriously, you know how everyone gets mixed up between Cardi B and Nicki? No, they do, it's the same concept. It's just one's a Republican and one's a Democrat. That's the only difference. Seriously. Everyone always. Yeah, but because there's something wrong with you, mate. You know the theory that you know they're the same person. I know I think whoever this lovely woman is we don't know we don't know who the fuck it is. She looks like an idiot though. She looks like an idiot. Are they both my wings? Like, what's going on here? I don't know. The wings make it look tacky. Uh the dress is actually fine, but the wings, I don't know, it's it's just ridiculous. I don't know what the headpiece is. No, actually. I'm giving her a two.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

I'll give her a ten. This is like a costume? Costume. And then I know that's like art. She's done it perfectly. What can more can I ask of her? Maybe a nine and a half? No, but like I can't like you give marks, you don't take them away.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

You know what I mean? Oh god, what is this? This is just ridiculous. This is another one. It's not flattering at all. It completely the the the red just washes the ears. I don't know. I don't know who any of these people are to be honest. I think I don't mind the fact that she's holding the the kind of mask. I like that. But you know what she reminds me of? Captain Feathersword from the Wiggles. Seriously, cast the You know, the Wiggles are very progressive nowadays, so they can get a female Captain Feathersword. So if she if she needs a job, get her. I'm giving that a let's go for a four. That's me being generous. I'm giving it a five. Getting fucking emails, seriously. My uni won't leave me alone. Five? Alright. Instead of doing uni worker at home. I know, ranking with fucking manga. My my fucking group assignment, they're probably like, where the fuck is it? Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 14:00

My large ping wrap meals running around sitting again.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Speaking of large ping-up meal, you look a bit like this. Oh my no, this looks like Elmo from uh Sesame Street thoughts. Personal attacks.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

No, it's the outfit.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

Is this? It looks like you. What are we ranking at? Come on. I thought you moved this.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

Are you mildly iron deficient or are you really iron deficient? You know what that means? No, I have no idea. Bottom of the barrel. Okay, because you know how sometimes you're very pale. Yeah. It's the same kind of paleness. Not that I'm personally attacking her though. Um that show? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

Little, little the one in the Irish one. The Northern Irish one.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

No, no. You know what? This is the worst outfit of the day. Deli, deli, the dairy. This is the worst outfit of the day. It's like a a one. Really? It's a one. Fucking. Seriously. Rank it. Come on, quick. We're moving on. That's fucking generous. Oh god. Seriously, I could wrap tinfoil around myself and rock up to fucking Ashley or Moore and I'd look better than this. What? This is ridiculous. This is not an outfit. I'm giving that like a that's a two. Why? Costume. What do you mean? What is she holding?

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Oh sorry, I put it out with a knife. I put nothing with a knife. She's like a salter. She's a salted knife. Um what would I give Serena? What did you give her?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

I think uh what did I say? Two? Come on, come on. Thank you for three. Alright. Okay, we got Oh Chris. I don't mind this actually. Oh, she's happy about her facelift. Yes, I'm not happy with it either. I was about to speak about the facelift, actually. I just saw a clip of her. I was about to bring it up. I saw a clip of her standing like sideways and oh my god, they've really fucked it.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

But she says she's happy. She's had to like address, she's had to come out and say, oh no, I'm fine with my facelift. I thought you said she's not happy about facelift.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

All the reports are saying she's not happy. She's fuming about it. I would be I would be fuming as well. Seriously. It would be it would honestly, some people would just be better if they just didn't get any facial work done. Because it's like it gets to the point where honestly, cast her as the next Michael Jackson. You know the white version? And then call it a day. I like the robe. I might love Michael Jackson, you don't know. We're not going into Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

I don't want to. I like the robe.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

I like the robe. I like the colour of the robe.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Yeah, but it doesn't match the theme. I'm gonna have to give her a few.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

I'm giving her a five. I'm gonna have to give her a two. She's generous to me. Five. Maybe even a one. We got Kim. I don't know about this. She looks like she's out of like a superhero movie, but like a really tacky one. Yeah. I'm giving her I'm gonna give her a maybe a three. I don't know. It's just it's just weird looking. It looks really cheap.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

It's a bit um what's the word? Underwhelming for her.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

It is, you'd think, yeah. I mean, that's why they need they need to bring back uh Kanye back into this. Costume. I'm gonna give her a five because it's a costume. Okay. If you thought she was a superheat. Okay, what's who is this? This is That's Kylie Jenner. I don't know, but she's half naked. It looks like she's half naked. And I don't think that that's why would anyone want to be like, I just don't get the point of that. Yeah, you're right, I'm just gonna say that. It's just weird. It's just weird. She's another one, she could go for Michael Jackson after her mum, actually. But um I'm giving her I'm giving her a I'm giving her a two as well. I'm giving a lot of twos out. Come on. It's not that two and a half. Two and a half, yeah, okay. We're great shit. Well, I like this one. Isn't this uh Justin B? Yeah, that's Haley. Yeah, wife. This is really good. She's I think she's one of the best dressed. Yeah. Because I really like the gold and the blue as well. I think the blue is really good with that gold. I think it's a very it's a flattering. I'm gonna give her a five. I'm gonna give her a I'm gonna give her a nine. Really? She's up there with Sabrina, I reckon, on that one. Is this that's the guy that makes the shit music? Somber. Oh my god, I can't stand that guy. Um no. Seriously, it looks like he is like, it looks like his wardrobe has vomited all over him. Like, you did he get dressed in the dark? Like, what's going on? Because I get like dressed in the dark. It was true, he must stop. I hope he did. Um, but like I'm just looking like, I don't know, the silver's all over the shop. I just think, I don't know, it's just all over the place. He like he I can kind of see it. Mate, that's not even a lot of things. I know what you're trying to say in the sense that it's it's Mr. Mark. It is. Like, I feel like the thought was there. Yeah, he was he the idea of it's in the right direction. Oh, probably a dog colour or something, you know. Anyway. Well, uh what have I ranked him already? I can't remember. No, you didn't give him a nine. Uh he he's a one. Fuck that. He's as bad as Elmo. Give him a four. Okay. Choice Savannah. That's not a choice. Is that Choice Savannah? With a new hair dude. My Ali won't be happy with B. Okay. I I'm just thinking. Okay, he's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. He looks like a weirdo. He looks like a weirdo. He looks like one of them, you know, like anime kind of, you know, them games. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

I didn't even recognise it as him. I thought that was Austin Butler.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

The uh oh yeah, the guy that played Elvis. Yeah, I thought that was a big one. Yeah, he's a bit of a weirdo, because wasn't he in character for like years when he was filming it? This isn't a Met Gala outfit. It's not like a really, really bad outfit, like generally, but like that's like I don't know, if you're going to like a shopping center. You're right, actually.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

No, that's getting a one, so no, it's not getting a one.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

There's not much like it's not bad. It's just not how that got costume. Maybe he is. I'm gonna give him a four. Oh, here we go. Sam Smith. Honestly.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

You reckon? You you you genuinely think that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

For the theme, costume with art. He's getting a ten. No. He's my first my only ten. No.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

I know someone got a ten before as well. Who got a ten? Look, I'm not angry about it. Like, he's given it a go. I think he could have lost the feathers. I don't like the feathers. Um I don't know. Do you know what? It looks like he's wearing an oversized hoodie. Yeah, but he could have been around. You're right. He does disgrace himself quite frequently. You gotta give points where they can earn them. Yeah, right. Alright, I'll give him a I'll give him a three. So there we go. He's dropped the microphone. So apologies for those listening. Um so anyway, there we go. That's our that's our thoughts on the Met Girl. Any final thoughts now that you've seen all of the these are the major ones, by the way. There's obviously a few outfits that we may have missed.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

Well, it was interesting that Jeff Bezos. Yes, that's right. He he funded this and your thing was w looked quite boring before. Maybe that's because Bezos was in charge. Should billionaires be funding the Met Girl?

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Well, I saw a a good Instagram reel and it was uh some union or or some collective, they projected a uh union member onto a building. Um and she worked at, you know, like an Amazon factory. Um and she was basically just saying that, you know, he's misusing his wealth and not giving back to people in ways that he should. Um he's cuddling up with Trump and everything like that. And um I think that's an important message. I know there was a campaign uh from many different groups projecting stuff on different buildings all across New York. Um Yeah, I think that's good work, I guess, that people are doing. And I think it's also important to shout them out. Anyway, yeah. Thoughts any more on that?

SPEAKER_04 21:18

That kind of is all around Mamadani was invited and he declined. Yeah, he didn't go. That's interesting. He would have been great. Well, he's gonna be able to do that. That's why I think because AOC went.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

Yeah, didn't she wear that tax the rich dress? Yeah, that was good. And I remember Anna Wintor, she's uh posted on a thing, she actually didn't see that and she because it says on the back of it, right? And so when she saw her, apparently, she was like, Oh, I love your dress. But like she didn't realise. Is Anna Wintor a conservative? Well no, I don't think she oh we don't know, but like she she's full of money.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah. So like she attacks the rich. Yeah, a bit bit too progressive for her, God forbid. Um, anyway. So moving on uh from from uh the Met Gala.

Euphoria

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Uh we thought, well, not we, as a matter of fact, Oliver thought. And to be fair, it was a good idea, because I know a lot of people are into this, that we should um discuss Euphoria. Because there's a new season, is there? Yes. Yes. Um and I actually saw as well there was uh quite a few stats here. So, you know, in the US uh they had 8.5 million viewers just in the first three days. Well that only US was that. That was just in the US. It was 44% better performing than the season two premiere. Um, and it's been the number one show on HBO after releases and on HBO here. Yeah, yeah. I don't watch it on HBO, I watch it on some illegal website. Oh, okay, that's how you do it. So anyway, I've never watched this show. Um I'm open to doing so, but uh what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_04 22:41

I'm trying to because you wanted to discuss it now. Well, I was UV4, right? So it's four years into the future.

unknown 22:48

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

So it's four years on from the last season.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

Yeah, or sorry, five years actually. It's five four years since it's been released, but it's actually in the thing, it's five years. Yep. Um they're all out of high school now, and they're all kind of living their own lives. But I've been watching this season and I've been really liking it, right? Now, a lot of people haven't, even though with those stats and stuff, because it's this season isn't really catered for that kind of teenage kind of girl.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Yes, because I'm actually looking here at my notes, it says commercial success but cultural backlash. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Like people are tuning in though, because there's some there's something intriguing.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

But you're saying it's not necessarily catering to their previous audience, yeah, trying to cater to a new audience.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

Definitely, because I I feel more enjoying, like I did watch the previous season. I never watched season one, but I watched season two. Um, and I I'm actually enjoying this one more because I feel like the underlying theme of it is different. In the first season, they all kind of had mental like they were all having mental challenges in s one way, form, or another. Like Rue, who Zendaya um was a drug addict, Cassie was just wanting like male kind of validation all the time. Maddie kind of kind of like self-doubted in a way, kind of when she kind of whatever. This season it's different though. Um it's more of an external external factors changing the way they're acting through a kind of weird kind of base of capitalism in the sense that they all kind of don't have secure work. Rue is now um a drug dealer, like for she was a one before, but that was because she wanted drugs. Now she but she's there by force, so it's kind of talk looking at um.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

He's a busy man, man.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

Centraline's calling. Wait a minute, don't need it. Anyway, but um, yeah, so in the first season, for example, she was a drug dealer out of desperation to actually get those drugs. This season it's not that. She's not really taking drugs, it's she's there by force because it's a corrupt system that won't let her leave, right? Um, Cassie, who's played by Sidney Sweeney, is um now on OnlyFans, right? Yeah. And because she wants a validation.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

That's interesting, because that's a big, you know, moral and ethical debate as well about OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Yes, but she's she's there because she wants that validation still. Yeah. But it's more of an external thing onto her, you know, like that's that that market. Um and obviously Nate, who's played by um what's his name? What's his name? Jacob Alaudy. Jacob Alaude. He was in you know you know Jacob Allah. Yeah, Jacob I know, but I didn't know who Nate is. He um now in the first season, for example, he had a lot of issues regarding like he was always wanting to be controlling and whatever. Yep now he controls his own business, but it's falling apart. Okay. Right? Got you.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

So it's very much centred around money and work. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

But people haven't really picked up on that in any of the analysis.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

And do you think this is intentional? It's been written that way. Yes. To focus on the right.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

And I think I think it just hasn't been spelled out yet. Yeah. In it it'll it will, I think, maybe at the end, but it just hasn't been spelled out. But I've kind of and the it's interesting, the only kind of character who's living a somewhat kind of normal life is Lexi. And I find that interesting because Lexi's the only one there who's not working two jobs, who has like stable employment, yeah, um, and who hasn't really folded to this kind of like OnlyFans, kind of all this shit, like, you know, kind of that ethical kind of conflict.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

And it was interesting in the last episode, she was kind of that was the first time that kind of spelled out a little bit, in the sense that she kind of had a go at all these people saying, like, you're an OnlyFans, you're on in the you're an internet pimp.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

Do you see then, because you were talking about capitalism, do you see that as her calling out the system? Or she's calling out the system or what?

SPEAKER_04 26:52

She she doesn't understand why they're doing it.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

So how does this link to capitalism more generally? Do you think that's relevant in the modern times as well?

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Basically, it's it's it's the real America. Yeah. In a sense that these it's exploitative work. Yeah, everyone's gonna be able to do it. It's people can't peep yeah, that's right. That's another thing. Yeah, they had a wedding, she didn't she had to she made bloody what's his name? Nate pay all this money for this wedding, but their relationship was really toxic. Yes, it was more or less just doing it for a show. It's a performative, yeah, yeah, and even then she still disgraced herself. Yeah. Even like you can spend as much money as you want. But it's really, yeah, about the the moral character as well.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Which I think is interesting as well, because if you're talking about capitalism, capitalism relies on people to feel like they have a part in it and feel like there's actual incentive. Right. And I think people grow um disillusioned with it when they feel like there's nothing in it for them. When they feel like they're doing all the right things, they're doing everything they can to make money, but they just can't get ahead no matter what. That's when that kind of faith in it dwindles. And it sounds like that's kind of you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

And it's interesting, they're all starting to slowly but shortly kind of work that out.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:04

They're realizing like, what am I getting out of this? What am I? They're still doing it. But you can they in their monologues and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Yeah, because in the end of the day, well, you know, money's just a bunch of numbers, so it's how fulfilling it is.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

And if no one's fulfilled. I just find it so interesting though that like they've changed your show. Like, I just would never have expected a show like this, which has always been like, I guess in the last one, a lot of it was sociological. Yeah. But has changed so kind of rapidly. So it's a real drastic change.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

Yes, it's an almost like a different show. Like it's like it's crazy. And it's probably as well because you said there was a time jump. Yeah. But even then, so is this is this the last season, or are there more seasons to come? Do they know how many or never say never kind of thing?

SPEAKER_04 28:46

It kind of positioned as the last season, but for a lot of time everyone kind of thought season two was going to be the last season.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Okay, so it's not like because I know with Stranger Things, for example, I think around season three they said there's gonna be five seasons. So you don't know exactly how these seasons are.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

It's not done and dusted. No. But like it's in the coffin reading to be nailed, I reckon.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

Yeah, okay. Well, it's definitely doing well, but um we'll have to see how people react. Is it is it over yet, the season? No, it's episode four. I think there's eight episodes of the seven. Oh, so it's only start, yeah, it's only really in the beginning, anyway. I'm sure it will get better as well because you know, naturally with um.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Yeah, well, I just wanted to bring it up because no no one's brought this analysis. This isn't like recycled analysis, this is all of a wild being adopted. I I was just watching this and thought, oh my god, like this is genuinely very deep in a different level that I haven't seen in mainstream television before. And it's not spelled out for it hasn't been spelled, I'm not sure if it will be spelled out, but it hasn't really been spelled out.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

No, definitely. Anyway.

Gas Tax

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Well, um, yes, well, I think as well, uh, speaking of things that uh, you know, well, this is actually the opposite. This has been talked about a lot. Um, gas taxes in Australia, it's a bit I know, it's a bit of a a leap between uh euphoria and um and economic policy in Australia. But uh for those who are unaware, and before you click off thinking, oh fuck, I don't want to fucking hear about this shit, um basically uh Senator David Pocock, federal senator for ACT um Punters Politics, who's a uh how would you describe him? Grifter. I was actually about to say the same. Um tuber, influencer, former teacher. Um and then all the time. Yeah, he was. That makes a lot of sense. Um and then the Australia Institute, which is like a think tank kind of group. Uh they do research and stuff like that. Um they've basically started a campaign uh a few weeks ago now, maybe even a month or two ago, pushing for a 25% tax or levy on uh gas exports in Australia. Um so basically their argument is currently we have a a tax called the PRT, um which is basically not giving enough revenue back to Australia and Australians for our gas. Um they would like to see more revenue um actually given to the citizens of Australia and they want that 25% tax and levy. Um so what are your general thoughts? Because it's getting quite contentious right now. Everyone's speaking about it.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Well, I've there's definitely an issue when the Australian government makes more revenue off of BR.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah, but people have disputed that. People have disputed that. I I've heard a few I haven't looked, I haven't looked into the stats on that, but I've heard quite a few people say that that's misinformation. Like a lot of MPs and senators. Now I'm sure everyone's gonna go, oh well, they're politicians, they're bought out by the lobbies, etc.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

Well, even then, but like even then, right? I'm sure that figure is right in some sense. It just depends on how you interpret figures, right? Like maybe like um all their kind of background taxes might make up for it for the gases, but even then, the fact that that's even kind of being able to be real in some sense is an issue, right? Yeah. Obviously, I'm would be for this, right? I obviously we need more money, and I think this would be a great way to do it.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 32:07

However, I also think it's not a silver bullet. The whole world isn't gonna be sunshine and rainbows if we put this in. Of course, not so many more. Hospitals and you know, roads and stuff aren't gonna be fixed just because of this, yeah? It will certainly help at the end of the day. Of course, of course, and I'm not a g I wouldn't be against it. If I was a thingo, I'd be voting for it, right? And I also think it's a bit hypocritical the people who are for this. Right? In what way? Well, okay, ten years ago or dec a bit longer now, they wouldn't they put a mining tax in, right? No one really was backing Julia Gillard on this. There wasn't some kind of ground grassroots um to try and support public support. Someone who would have been okay, like all these kind of centrist kind of people out in Vaucluse or whatever, you know, champagne socialist now, they wouldn't have been for that then. No, you're not. And all those MPs are now for this, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 33:01

I guess I mean you could argue well the political landscapes changed and stuff like that, but in the end of the day I agreed. It is hypocritical. Um yeah, look, m my view is just generally like I I'm all for um, you know, well, I'm all for taxing, you know, big corporations, I'm all for taxing big industry and giving money back to people. Um so in principle I'm for it. Um I'm not an expert on it or anything like that. I mean, I only just have brief notes in front of me to inform uh the the listeners. But yeah, look, I think I as I said I'm for it. However, um I also can see some of the downsides to it in the sense that there could be investment risk, because in the end of the day, right, um we're not the only nation in the world that uh people can actually get gas off of. You get what I'm saying? People can shop around, it is a market, right? And if we start jacking up prices because we have to account for a tax, or if they're not making if gas companies aren't making as much revenue as they are now, I can see why they just wouldn't deal with Australia whatsoever. And that means then we wouldn't get any revenue even from the current PRT because they would have all moved away. But what if you're not gonna do that? So I think we just need to do it carefully.

SPEAKER_04 34:12

No, no, sorry. Oh no, sorry, no, I didn't mean to. But I was just saying I get where you're coming from, and like obviously I haven't really been tried, so I don't know. But like look at Norway, for example, and they have gas. Australia isn't Norway. I know. They have gas and they put it in and there wasn't there wasn't a substantial change to Norway.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

I know, I I understand that. And there are similarities, but there's also differences, you know, and and Punzer's politics has said himself uh in the Senate committees that yes, well Norway obviously, you know, has it has a better system there because they have what a sovereign wealth fund and all of that. I'm pretty sure they're setting up a similar fund like Canada as well. Everything's just fixed. But um point is obviously they're in a good position, but even he did acknowledge that the system would have to be slightly different in Australia because we have different circumstances.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

And it's obviously a larger per capita thing as well.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Uh I think another interesting thing on this on this topic as well is the role of Punter's politics. Um, because obviously he's done extremely well on social media. So if you look at any um MP, any senator, anyone with any form of influence, uh, if you look at their social media posts and you go to the comments, it's just flooded by we want a gas tax, we want a gas tax now. It's been an extremely effective campaign. And I think Punter's politics, he is generally a good communicator. Um I do sometimes I'm always skeptical of someone who kind of claims to be the voice of the people because I don't think any individual can truly be the voice of the people. Um and you know, some like I guess a large group.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Like he wants to speak for Punters, you know, it's not like he's uh it's some local council.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Yeah, it's not like he's saying my community, yeah, um, or my viewership even. Yeah, he's not even just saying that. No, he's saying I'm speaking for all Punters working class Australians. Yeah. And I think that that that can be somewhat dangerous rhetoric. But um, I also think sometimes, you know, I I watched I subjected myself to the worst fucking podcast ever, the Carl Stefanovic show. Um and he had a Punters Politics had a debate with um Susan McDonald, who's a LNP senator from Queensland. And I just think that sometimes his arguments were very simplistic in the sense that whenever he was put on the back foot, he would kind of just say, Oh well, Susan, you're a politician. He uses politician as some dirty word to depict someone uh, you know, as someone with you know the Australian people's interests not at heart. Uh and he s he uses it as a are you fucking right there? Yeah, can you imagine this guy fucking texting in the middle of a podcast? Seriously, lock in. Um basically he tries to delegitimise uh her and then he also loves to use and throw around obviously big business, big corporations, um, millionaires, billionaires. And I mean, obviously, I mean no one fucking seriously, no one no one has much time for billionaires anymore. But sometimes he throws them words in when he is on the back foot to try and gain that public space.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

I also actually think too much of this has been placed on him. Like as in I think it's more David, I think it's more David Pocock. For example, my dad, my father, right? He he found out about these gas tax because who I'm sure a lot of people have actually to be honest. Yeah. Because it's every you're right, it's everywhere. It is. And he linked it to Pocock. He linked it to David Pocock. He didn't hear no cloak.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Do you think that that could be a generational thing?

SPEAKER_04 37:29

Well, no, and I also think it's a bit of a media thing. You'll find in the media they don't really mention these punters as much. They it's it's much more Senator David Pocock.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

They talk about Pocock and then they talk about Greens led inquiries, yeah, you're right. Um but look, I think that, you know, Punters politics, in my opinion, whether you like him or you don't, as I said, I have some issues with him. I do think that he is generally responsible. Because look, I watched a few of his videos to prepare for this because I did want to, you know, have a bit of knowledge going into this. And I mean his channel's doing really well. You're talking, you know, I think the video I watched, the big one of his Senate inquiry, you're talking 400k views. Uh the average video is probably like 130, 140. You know, it could even be more. So I I'm happy to be corrected. But he has a large influence, and I I think it's I don't know, I just find it interesting that um an individual can gain so much traction. And you know, he only got a lobbying pass two weeks ago, three weeks ago. And look at what's happened. He's basically flipped the entire Australian political landscape on its head. Everyone all of a sudden wants a gas tax to be in the federal budget, which has been in the works for a long time, yet all of a sudden now they decide to talk about a gas tax. If you really wanted it in the budget, you would have been talking about it six months ago. And I know a lot of them were, but not to this extent.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

And look, I don't think I should write off the fact that I should do it. Like the Albanese government should be able to do it. Yeah, of course, but it's not gonna be in the budget. Of course.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

I mean, you're dreaming if it's in the budget. I'd love don't get me wrong, I'd love Jim Chalmers to surprise us, and you know, in two weeks' time we're sitting here and we're talking it about a gas tax, because we're we're gonna cover the federal budget as well. I'm so should. We should do it live, we should do it live. Oh well, we're gonna do a drinking game for the budget, so we're gonna be absolutely pissed off of our heads. Um but uh look, uh that's another thing as well on the budget, actually. I I'm so close to doing like just a solo episode where I just sit here and read the budget pages line by line. No one would watch that. No one would watch that.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

But it'd be no feds, but it'd be a bit funny if Larger Big Blackwell did that.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Yeah, no, it'd be better. I agree.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

It's just I don't no one would still listen. Like I'm being for real. Yeah, no, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 39:29

No, I'm not saying solo episode isn't I'm the person for the economic analysis. Yeah. It's just because I fucking nothing nothing gets me going like a federal budget. I'm telling you. Well, hang on a minute. The look that he just gave No, the look that he just gave me tried to make that sound wrong.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

I've always I feel like a bit of a nerd. Like I've just the budget just doesn't do it for me. Like I I can't I don't wake up and go it's budget. Like it's for me, it's just as as a little hack that I am. I I just like elections.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

Like that's my goodness. Sometimes a good budget can be better than a than a bad election or like an eh election. I mean, I'm not here to say the budget's gonna be better than the 2025 election.

SPEAKER_04 40:11

I feel like you like policy more. Maybe then like campaigning in elections and stuff. It's more interesting because there's more strategy behind it because you're trying to what actually shaping up, and I don't want to say too much because we're probably gonna talk about it in future episodes. Oh, yeah, we will. Yeah. I don't want to say too much. This is shaping up to be quite an explosive budget, and that's good because that's what I've always found about the budget.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

It's all about it safe, especially especially last year's one, because what was the main thing last year? They uh extended the tax cuts. That was a shock. I can't really recall much. Five bucks a month. And if someone like me, like who follows this shit, can't recall much from last year's federal budget, there's always tips to the NBIS, and then that of course what's one thing. What do you what do you think about the cuts to the NBIS?

SPEAKER_04 40:53

Now the 160,000. Look, I don't want to speak um, like I'm not disabled. So like I don't I don't think it's very ethical. Well I I don't think it's like it's a bit of an ethical conflict if I go come on here and say And start talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

It's like it wouldn't be good if we came on here and started lecturing you about women's health. I mean maybe he might fucking know more than that.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

I think that discussion should only be the people who are actually changing the laws, yeah. And just disabled people that are. You're gonna hit us with the biggest, fattest, non-answer in the history of the world. Well, I'm just saying, and I think, and I've heard from what I've heard from disabled people on Landside, it's mixed.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

You know, I don't think it's mixed. I do think it's broadly negative.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

Well, yes, but I think it goes from people just saying, Well, look, we're fine, it but we want to know where like what's actually happening. We don't want to be left in the dark. Yes. And then there's some people saying this is like human rights abuses. You know what I mean? I don't think it's that far.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

No, I don't think it's that far either. But I think that's a big stretch. I can understand why many people in that community would obviously feel um maybe betrayed by their trusting government.

SPEAKER_04 41:56

Even at then at the same time, sorry. The NDIS was set up for serious disabilities. Yes, right.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

And it's it's ballooned out. Yeah. And that's that's thanks to um what's his face? Uh well, all of them. It's it's thanks to Scott Morrison and um Turnbull. It's thanks to all them three. Exactly. Um, and as well on that, I think as well, Alba actually made a good point that um you know it's it's vital to reform the NDIS now, whilst it still has that social contract with people. Yeah. In the sense that we've noticed, you know, over the past few months, ever since Drew Pavlou got his hands on the topic, that public support for the NDIS, and this is even verified through polling, has been dwindling significantly at a very rapid rate. And if things don't change, public support would drop to the point that, you know, uh maybe even well, you never know with the Liberal Party. But what I'm saying is if public support drops, a party like the Liberal Party may even evaluate scrapping it altogether. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Future governments may even evaluate getting rid of it. And I think it's important that above all else, we still have an NDIS. Um which I think is important, yeah, it is an important faculty. It's also about it's about sustainability, whatever. Yeah, because now it's only gonna grow, I think, uh two percent average per year. I think it's gonna be seven or five for the next few years, but then it's gonna go down to about two percent. Whereas I think it was at about like five to eight percent already, if not more. Oh yeah, that's like minimum. Yeah, like it was yeah. Well, there you go. I think we hit quite a wide diverse range of topics, literally diverse. Um but anyway, yes, I but I'm that's what I'm saying. I feel very like you feel refreshed or that's what I was thinking. I quite I quite enjoy like there was good analysis, I think. Yeah, especially I did find the euphoria really thing very interesting. I think that was that was a great take.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

I just find it so why is no one talking about this? You know what I mean? You're eight point five million people watched it, yeah, and I've seen nothing online about it. Maybe maybe if I searched it, I'd be interested to see what would come up.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Anyway, there we go, and also apologies to the fucking dogs barking, I swear. Every time we record every dog in they hear it? I don't know if they can or not, but point is there's dogs barking. Anyway, thank you for watching. God bless. Thank you.