Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Oscar Thompson. The show that discusses money, power, sex, and culture. Despite the host having none of the above. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the delusions and propaganda about to grace your ears.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Hello everyone, and welcome to the Oliver Wild Experience featuring Oscar Thompson.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Money, power, sex, and culture. Pew, peel, peel, peel. There we go. Um and today just I'll just leave it at that. I'll let I'll let him do whatever he wants.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

I'm very full energy today.

Coachella

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Really? You're full energy? I feel like I'm on full energy as well. Um and you know, when I was actually thinking about what we can discuss on the podcast, I thought, you know, what what was something that happened this week? And then I thought, actually, this is actually quite a culturally significant week in the pop culture kind of space.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yeah, did you say um that thing of One Direction? No, what happened? Well sorry. But yeah, anyway, I I was scrolling on X, as I do, and what do you call that? It pops up like the thing about what um apparently Zane punched Louis from One Direction. When was this? Now, by the way, when was this? They were filming a um a Netflix.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Was this recently or yeah, no, it was this week.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Oh, this week. Oh, yeah. There's no way that's really this bullshit. Because then Fingo unfollowed. Louis unfollowed Zane or the other way around. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Okay, so there is some kind of validity to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Look, I don't really like One Direction, it's just not my thing. I wouldn't open Spotify and listen to it. Probably skip it. But you know, what do you call it? They are pretty b they were pretty big with the pop culture.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Yes, well, I I quite like One Direction generally. Like, I disagree with what you were saying. I I wouldn't go and search for One Direction and start, you know, playing their their music, but if it comes up on a playlist or something like that, I'm not skipping most of their shit. Like they have like five to ten really good songs. Yeah, but I prefer Harry Starles. Yes, well, I think Harry has a better solo career. The rest of their solo careers aren't great, though, from my knowledge. Like, um, you had the guy who flew off the balcony, didn't end well for him, and you know, the rest of them, God only knows what they're doing. I mean what? They're punching each other now, apparently. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Well, yeah, that Nile. Yeah. I don't know, but who knows. Anyway, because what were you saying?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

So yes, well, sorry, I was just I was initially going, I was saying, not that wasn't our main thing for the week in terms of pop culture, but I do think the main thing was was Coachella. Coachella happened this week. Um, and who are the headliners? It was Justin Bieber. What did you think of Justin Bieber's performance? Because that that went quite viral and stuff. I thought it was a bit of a cop-out. But look, I I don't know. In what way? Well, you can't just say it was a cop out of the street.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Okay, so Justin Bieber i i isn't he's it's never been really been a thing for me. It's just not we're we're not the target demo, are we? We're not the target demo channel.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Well I I mean we grew up in that period of time.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

I know, but like Yes, I get what you're saying. Yeah, but what do you call it? I do prefer Justin Bieber more than one direction, though. Anyway, um my thoughts on his performance was I think it wasn't really like it was catered for his fans, right? And I think that's why I I perceive, I'm not sure this is an objective thing, but as a kind of low energy. I thought it was low energy. Um because that's the whole thing, it's about Justin Bieber. That's what the whole thing I guess is about, just Justin Bieber as a person rather than the actual music behind it, which the fans kind of liked. But I think deep down, surely he thinks like this is a bit of a cop-out.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

See, I disagree. I think I think that you know it was a very unorthodox type of performance, um, in the sense that you know, it was not something we're used to seeing from him. But I think that because of the fact it was so different to, you know, an average Chest and Pieper performance at a concert, at a tour, at another festival, I think that's what gives it that element of being unique. Do you get what I'm saying? And I think ultimately we probably wouldn't be spending this much time talking about it, and it would not have gotten the amount of social media attention it has got if he didn't do something outside the box and do something different, which was sitting at that laptop.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

I I kind of disagree with that. In what way though? I think what do you call it? I think we still would be talking about it because the whole thing is let's not cut down to it. No, but no, but I wouldn't know what else. No, I think but there wouldn't be as much imagery. Yeah, we wouldn't have that visual of him sitting at that. Of course, yes. I still think we'd be talking about that. I think this week we'd still be here speaking about Justin Bieber's performance.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

See, I disagree because we've just spent the last little bit talking about the visuals, which you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Yes, but we'd be talking about other elements of it. Because deep down it comes down to not deep down when we cut through it all. The reason why it's such a big thing isn't the imagery, it's the fact that it's this whole kind of reminiscency of 2016.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Yes, and I think as well, that is the thing as well. I don't necessarily think people are listening to Justin's music because it's necessarily the best music out there. Um, I think it is very much so transporting them back to a certain time. And I do think as well that also enhanced that element of that performance because it goes back to the whole 2026 parallels of 2016 type of thing.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Well it's the thing like remember when he I'm not sure if you do remember, but when he released his album in 2020 or 2021 or something, and it completely flopped. Now the music wasn't necessarily any different, like it was still the kind of the same kind of feel with it. Yeah, but it just wasn't the time. Yes, yeah, because it was too old, but it wasn't in, it wasn't nostalgic.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yes, well he was very much so obviously big, you know, back in the early 2010s and stuff like that. Um so yeah, no, I think it definitely transports people back into a time period. I think the other headliner was Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah. She um is obviously not as much um she's obviously quite new onto the scene in terms of exploding. Um obviously she's made music for a while, but it's only been, you know, really since 2022, 2023, 2024 since she really started to get that momentum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say 24. Yeah, in 2024, but I think them foundations were probably set up for the years before.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Even 24, she was still the the um headlining act. No, the sorry, the underheadline of um Taylor Swift's show. The opening, sorry, the opening act for Taylor Swift. Even in even in the beginning of 24, and then obviously she had espresso and that album, and that's what cataloged.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yes, but opening acts typically don't have big artists on them. You're used to some random artist who's kind of like mid-tier. That's right. So, yes, what you're saying is that she wasn't that known in a very recent period. Yes. And I think actually 2024 is probably when she was at the best. I quite liked espresso. Uh my issue with her music ever since that is it I kind of have two main issues. It's not catchy at all. Um it's just there's no songs that you listen to and you think this is a really good song, I'm adding this to my playlist. Um so that's kind of the first issue. It's just they're just not that good. But the second is I actually think the reason they're not that good is because she's actually catering towards um having her music perform well on TikTok rather than actually making good music. Right. Because if you think about a lot of her songs, they're not even almost songs, they're they're almost songs that have TikTok sounds almost as if they were made to be TikTok sounds. What's that fucking one? House tour? Like how is anyone actually made a song? That's not made to be a good song, that's made to be a TikTok sound. And I think that that's kind of almost the marketing reasons for that.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

And I didn't and I didn't even realise she had a new album. I thought these these were all from the same short that short and sweet album. I didn't even know she had a new album.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

She released one in 2025, but no one really talked about it. No one really I didn't even know. Yeah, no, nor did I. Um but anyway, so she brought out though at at um Coachella, she brought out Madonna, who I do quite like. I mean, I'm not I don't know much about Madonna, but all the stuff I've heard's been positive. What's what's Madonna's music?

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Like a prayer. Well, that's the big one. Um Vogue, she did that there. Um Like a Virgin. Yeah. The one I the one I like is La La is La Bonita, but that's not very big. And then even stuff like Hung Up, like every little thing you say.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

That one, yeah, like she should have been the headliner. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Well, no, because that's why she was there, because it's 20 years since she headlined.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Oh well, good. Well then they should have just had her as the full-time headliner.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Yeah, well she'd yeah, well that's what I've been I've been because I've been getting into a lot of old older music this year. Because I just haven't really been what type of older music though? Pop? No, just everything, like even like stuff like yacht rock. Yacht rock? Yeah. What is yacht rock? Like stuff like Fleetwood Mac. What makes that a yacht? I don't know, is that that's just that's just what it's called. Is it actually called that? Oh, it's called a yacht. Okay, I've never heard of yacht rock. Anyway, I didn't know I didn't know what it was either.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

How did you find that out? Yacht rock. I went to the case. It was on my Spotify that says top genre rock.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Top genre you're rocking.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

There you go. One of the new things. Because I think as I was and sorry, I'm detouring a bit here. But I was thinking, what do you call it? One of my biggest peeves of last year, or pet paves of last year, was I didn't the music was shit.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

What the new music that released in 2025?

SPEAKER_02 9:31

It was sh like what the I don't what was release?

SPEAKER_01 9:33

You're right, you're right, because I'm trying to think, I'm trying to disagree with him and I'm trying to think I'm trying to think of new music. Try to play devil's advice. I'm trying to think of good music that was released, and I'm really nothing's coming to mind. No, I liked, I liked, and you know what? But it took you time to think. Of course, absolutely. You your point's been made, I agree with you. But I you know what? Uh Taylor Swift's album was alright. Oh yeah, that was good. No, no, no, that was good. And people talk shit about it. All these Swifties, they say it was shit. But you know what? I actually, I was on Spotify the other day, I was looking through. I would say my this is Kanye fan ranking Taylor Swift albums. I'd go, number one is 1989. Is that what it's called? That album? Then I'd say, um, what's the the the one black and white? Reputation. Reputation, and then I'd go life of a showgirl. I'd agree. I'd completely agree with that. Yep. And then what's the there's another one that's alright, what's it called? Lovers, something like that. Lover. Or is that a song? No, no, no, it's called the album's called Lover. Yeah. Anyway, so that's my question. I'm not sure what the album is. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're on your own.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

But wasn't she, yeah, but but I'm just just wasn't she wasn't she number four? What do you mean? On your top artists or something? Or was it?

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Last year I can't remember what she was. Right, you should see my fucking my phone's recording this right now. Do you know who's my top artist right now? Her name, uh is it it's called Verka Shedushka. How do you say it? Verka Sedushka. Shedushka. Verka she is a Ukrainian he, she, Ukrainian drag queen disco ball, who was on Eurovision. But I'm telling you right now, listen to Verka's music because there's something in it, it's like how would you even describe it? It's there's just it's Europop. Oh god, it's pop. Yeah, hell yeah, it's pop. It's very, it's like there's some like shit in it. It's like art, it's like an art form. It's fucking fantastic. It's like I I don't like this mu why why I release music. But it's not tacky. It's not tacky. It's really, it's like people release boring shit, right? This is like fuck, you're you're like, oh my god, what is happening in my ears in the best way possible? Yeah. Like it's really, I can't even put I can't even. I'm actually, not toot my own horn, a somewhat articulate person, but I've l I I can't even describe what the fuck is it? Well, it's quite because I guess it's quite a foreign, it's usually European. Everyone listen to Verca. We've got to go to Verca's concert. Well, uh she needs to come he, she, Verka, right now, come to Australia, I'm telling you. We will fucking we'll have you on the podcast. We'll have do you know who also needs to come on our podcast? Uh Zelensky. He went on the rest of his politics UK, and I think.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I'm not sure if I like him that much.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

And who do you like? Vladimir? You want Vladimir on?

SPEAKER_02 12:03

I just well even he you know his approval are down the drain in Ukraine, Zelensky.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I thought you were saying fucking Putin's was down the drain in Ukraine. I'm like, you fucking hope so. What so they don't like him much? No.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

I was actually speaking I was speaking to a Ukrainian friend. Oh yeah. Um, and she was going on about um what do you call it? How like they just say heh hey.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Yeah, sussa. Well, Ukrainians are very nonchalant. Like, do you get what I'm saying? Sometimes, like, especially the ones that like I'm like, mate, your country's at war and you just seem so chill about it. Um, but um that's the unfortunate thing. They are they are quite used to that. Anyway. Yacht rock. We went on to Ukrainian independence. Yes. Where were you going with that?

SPEAKER_02 12:42

So you well, I was saying that um the because we were talking about Madonna, what do you call it? She should have performed, and I'm saying I haven't liked the new music for the laughing. So I've been thinking, okay, well I'm gonna have to turn to the old shit. Do you think so? And I've been quite liking it.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

2026 has been better than 2025 at this point in terms of music. Do you think we're starting to improve again, or do you not see much progress?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

That's why you well, I always wait until June, because that's when all the big albums are.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Yes, because they release it for the summer over in the US and stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Um even then, there's always some around now, April, because they tend to be. We are having a few right now.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

There already has been a few that's released.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

But you know who I'm not excited for?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Um, Olivia Rodrigo. I don't like her. Nor am I. No, I don't. I I always thought her music was extremely tacky. Um The first one was okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

The first album, it's getting worse. It's she's gotten worse.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Sour, whatever it's called. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't like that. Because it's like what? She has such a niche kind of range of people who appeal to it. It's like 14-year-old girls.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

No, but not even. People out females our age would listen to her. You reckon? Yeah, of course. Not as much as 14-year-old girls.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Of course not, but like you know. And that's only because they were 14 when she was dropping the original show. Do you get what I'm saying? She has such a narrow window of appeal.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

We are going on complete tangents, but you know, you know who I hate? I was I've been waiting to bring her up. Okay. You gotta guess. I want you to guess. Fuck, I don't know. Tate McRae. I can't stand her. I don't know what's not stat her. I know her name. You know what it is, and I've realised what it is. I'm too woke for a world of Tate McRae.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Is she a conservative?

SPEAKER_02 14:17

No, but she's just like I don't even know. There's no she she's like kind of like from a rich kind of background, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

I'm looking her up. Tate McCrae. She's just singer, songwriter, Canadian. She's Canadian. I like Canada. I know, I like Canada too. Australia needs to strategically move closer to Canada.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

I I don't like Tate McCa-I don't like the music. It's all too tacky. It's all way too tacky.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

What do you mean tacky though?

SPEAKER_02 14:41

It's just we keep using that word. Well, as in its pop on steroids. As in it's just like it's just so in your face or something?

SPEAKER_01 14:50

Yeah. Yeah, okay. Alright, I'll I I'm not here to attack someone that I don't have info on, but yeah, anyway. Um so yes, Coachella, I think generally, would you what's your dream Coachella lineup? If you had to design a lineup for Coachella, what are you designing? Oh Madonna's a good one. We do Madonna. Yeah, then you do Madonna. Well, why don't you bring everyone back in the middle of the day? Well, we could do Michael Jack, Michael Jack. So you're actually gonna bring people back from the dead. Oh what we say back. Is that not is that not like a bit weird because isn't he like a kiddie fiddler and shit? Like, are you not I don't know, I don't I thought he was convicted, but that's because he died, hey. Or was he convicted? No, he he got acquitted. Acquitted.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

But like what were the charges? So like if he was alive now, he sure surely would have gotten more like stuff done. 100%. Um I always go on about Michael Jackson, uh like I don't like the fan like the real big fan. It's just something like that. Yeah, imagine being a Michael Jackson fanatic, like having like a whole Michael Jackson room.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

And they're also quite I feel like they're quite conservative people. But they're always weird. They're like 30, 40, 50 year old like Americans that live in some weird space.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

They're a bit similar to Elvis, but at least Elvis kind of fits the vibe. Michael doesn't really fit the vibe.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Well, yeah, no, I get I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Anyway, but if we're gonna bring people back, Michael Jackson will do Madonna, which is alive. And who's the last one? To Prince. Prince Prince.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Yeah. See, I I would go, so I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Well actually, no, like I want I want Fleetwood. I want Fleetwood. Okay, Yacht Rock. But they're still alive.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Yep. Um I'm gonna go with just modern stuff. I'd go Tyler the creator, just because I feel like that's consensus music, it's not too hip-hop, not too pop, kind of you no one's really gonna get angry about that. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, but no one's gonna turn that down. I know, but like I feel like he's just not there yet. He fucking is. Do you reckon? Absolutely he is. Do you reckon? Yeah, he's one of the most creative artists in our generation. No, I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing. You know, the vibe. It's like it's more than just like music when he drops an album. It's more of like an experience. I know.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying, do we think, but I don't think he's at that.

Looksmaxxing

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Like he's just not top. He's not gonna be a big thing. I swear he's already I swear one year he's already um headlined it. I don't know what year, but I swear he did. Maybe he did. I'm not sure. Or he's he's at least been very high up. Maybe he is. Oh god, my foot. Anyway, but I think you're right actually. Yeah, maybe with Dodge. I think I think he is there. So I go I go Ty the Crater, I go Taylor Swift, obviously, just the name recognition. And then I probably do Harry Styles as well. I think that like no one's gonna be pissed off about that lineup. You get what I'm saying? Like it's it's a good solid lineup. Well, I don't even know who the third person who who headline this year. No, I don't know either. That would be a mystery for the ages. Anyway, move moving on. I was I was also, you know, I was brainstorming different things we could discuss. Um and I think another thing that has been big and discussed as well in the media is looks maxing. Have you seen Clive the Clavicular? Didn't he pass out? Well yes, but I was talking, let's talk about a 60 Minutes interview first. Did you see the 60 minutes? I didn't watch it, but I saw it. You saw the clips? Yeah. What did you think about the way that interview was set up?

SPEAKER_02 18:03

I think it gave clavicular clavicular. I'm just gonna say clav. It gave clav too much. Sound like, yeah, full on Western Sydney over here. It gave it gave Clav a bit too much authority. I felt. I felt it was kind of normalizing his things a bit. It was putting him on a putting him on a level playing field.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

No, I disagree. I actually thought rightly so that reporter did a good job of like almost like creating an environment where it was almost like, mate, you're fucking insane. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, you're not gonna be able to do it. Like he was asking it that the reporter was extremely pretentious, but as he should be in that instance. Do you get what I'm saying? That's the tone you have to use to someone like that. And I mean I I'm just the the concept of like what do you even think of the concept? Because it's more than just it's more than just doing good for yourself and doing good for your appearance. It's a whole thing that can turn into self-harm very quickly. Like I know it's still like bashes like jaw in with like a hammer because when bones are like destroyed, like they like grow back more defined or something like that, with like more resilience. And like, how are we normalizing this? How are we acting like this is you know I was trying to say why the alarm bells not going here? Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Um I think as well though, I think there is a bit of a difference though between something like this, like looks maxing, and then kind of that Andrew Tate kind of manosphere stuff. I think there's a bit of a difference. I think I think I think looks maxing, people I think even young men think it takes the piss. If they're taking the piss. Yes. No one's actually going to be.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

I don't think anyone looks at at Clav and thinks that this is the same-minded person they want to model their lives off, and he he's on the money with this stuff he's saying and doing. I agree with you. Well, I think we've all be a very small friend. Yeah, but everything's like small friends for everything.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Um but I think with like the manosphere.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Well, I mean, that's a stone discussion type of thing. Yeah, I mean I I watched that documentary. It was fine. Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_02 20:03

I didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

It was fine. It was nothing, look, it wasn't life-changing. It really it didn't tell me anything I didn't know, really. Um you know, I I just think that it's it's crazy seeing because a lot of the guys in that as well, a lot of the influences and stuff, they're they're relatively young, like you know, they're all 20s, 30s, stuff like that. And you know, I think you know, the younger generations are actually becoming more conservative. Gone are the days where you know it was where all the millennials and stuff like that, and they were really progressive with social media stuff like that. We are seeing that conservatism come out. It's interesting though that's not it's happening though.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah, I think sorry, I was just gonna say it's interesting though that that's whole kind of conservatism of young young people and the and the gender divide between things. It's more of a thing in the United States, but not really Australia. Like even at the last year. Well, no, well, the data says like even like like Labour still more than that.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

This is more than just this is more than just political. I'm I know I know I know it is very political.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Oh, I know what you're saying, though. I'm I'm in a social way. They're just they're just socially conservative, yes, yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I when I mean conservative, I don't mean they're going and you know they're voting conservative necessarily when they Yeah, they're not sorry, I don't know. I mean they're living conservative lifestyles, um, in conservative relationships, stuff like that. I think what we really just need to look at is is why people like this, right? There's clearly trauma for a lot of them, their men and stuff like that. Maybe they didn't grow up with fala figures, maybe they need to compensate for that. But I just think generally the reason why, especially men uh um young men are quite conservative is because um for so long we had obviously very strict gender roles and they were extremely defined. You know, if you're a man, you do this, this, this, you act this, this, this woman, you know, this is what you do. But now, because that's blurred um and quite rightly because it provides people the flexibility and freedom, a lot of men don't really quite feel like they know their place in in a modern day. Society, but then they look at you know the default and think fuck let's just go back to that as quick as possible because it gives them that sense of purpose and belonging. Well, yeah, because they need that structure because they just don't feel like they have that right now.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

Yeah, but as well, I I actually think it's quite simple. Like I think it a lot of it is um to do with the algorithms. If you look at when yes all this stuff started coming out, that's when you can really see in the data that all these kind of traditional uh roles or uh perceptions started coming out more.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Yes, because they now what I'm saying is is then they have all of that um at their fingertips. You get what I'm saying? So as as I was saying, my idea that they're lost in modern day society, they want to resort back to the default, they have kind of examples of the default at their fingertips for them to consume. Um which then obviously radicalise them even more. Um but yeah, so anyway, looks maxing and obviously the manosphere are different things. I think looks maxing to the extent that Clavicular is promoting is extremely dangerous. Um I I have no issue with obviously self-improvement and stuff like that. Could never be fucking me personally, but um you know, uh as long as you're doing it in a safe and healthy way, I think that's that's a consensus thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Yeah, but like I could see a scarf.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

I know, but like even then.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

But even then, like if you're a social libertarian, who are you to judge?

Harry Potter Show

SPEAKER_01 23:26

I'm I I have a fucking podcast, like I'm here to speak about shit. Like I'm here to share my thoughts. I'm not saying I'm not saying believe exactly what I'm saying or follow what I'm saying. I'm just like I'm just here talking about it. It's it's an important thing to talk about. No, of course. I I if you're a social libertarian, why are you sharing your thoughts about telling people how they should if you're a social libertarian, then why are you doing the same thing that I'm doing, going and preaching and telling people all this shit. That's what I'm saying. It's just not it's not an argument that stacks up. But anyway, um and and then another thing, another thing that has actually been quite contentious, um, probably more contentious and more heated than the looks maxing stuff, was uh the Harry Potter show. And one specific aspect of it. How much of it have you seen? I have no clue what this is. You haven't seen the trailer? You haven't seen that they're doing it for HBO? No, it's not. So for those who are unaware, um basically it's it's simple, they're just you you know, you've watched the Harry Potter movies, yeah? I can't remember what happened. But you've watched them. Well, you know there's movies, right? Yes, there's movies, we've established that. They're now going back and they're making a show with new actors, new kids, all that. Well, that's gonna be shit then. And I disagree. That's what every everyone just immediately says it's gonna be shit. But the trailers look great. I think people just need to give the show time to actually do its thing. Why are we judging before it's come out? I'm not I might be watching it though. Well, I put uh yeah, but you're once again, we're gonna talk about target demographics, you're not targeted demographic because you're not into it. No. But it's just like everyone's immediately like negative, negative, negative, it's not gonna be as good. Let's just see it. Right? I I don't have any reason right now to believe that it would not be good. Now, people would argue, well, yes, there are reasons. And the reasons are for a lot of people there was a lot of debate about uh the actor of Snake being black, and it has actually become a really, really big thing because in the book he's described as very clearly white, and the whole point of the show is to have a clear representation of the books because you have more time to adapt the books rather than condense them like the movies did. Right. So people are absolutely up in arms saying they're not gonna watch this show because Snape's black, and apparently that's gonna change the story significantly, which number one it's not, but even number two, the areas of the story that it does. Why is that like a It's actually the mainstream view. Yes, but why that's actually mainstream. Why exactly? This is a fringe fucking radical shit. Like I'm I'm out here like listening to like YouTubers and stuff like that that uh are popular Harry Potter content creators, like Harry Potter theory and stuff like that. These are normal people. And no, but there will be people watching because I'm I'm clued in on everything. I and and he is a very normal guy and he's completely against it. And I just think it's just such a weird thing to draw a line, and the fact that so many people are drawing a line there. Now, I I think even if it does affect the story, now for context, Snape was bullied by Harry Potter's dad when he was a kid, right?

unknown 26:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

So people are saying, oh, well, that might make Harry Potter's dad look like a racist because Snape's black, right? But I'm dare I dare I even say that that actually adds an element of complexity um to the actual story that would be very interesting. Like, do you not think that potentially having that factor there might even make the story more rich in depth in the sense that there might be racism? Like, do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, it was sure. And he managed to overcome that and go through that, and that shapes why he is the cold character he is in the actual and I wonder if they'll if that's the story they'll write. I think that would be extremely compelling. Oh wait, they might not. But they might not, but I think that if you saw him being racially discriminated against, that would almost enhance the character that you're seeing of Snape in the modern day. I think though if again, I had I had no clue about any of this. It's a massive thing, seriously. Like it's an it's you might think I'm crazy. This is a really, really big thing, black Snape.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Anyway, it's massive. But the people who are bringing it up, bringing up his race, they're the ones pulling the race card. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

You know what I'm trying to say? It's only gonna change the story if you keep bringing it up because you're the one fucking changing the story.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Exactly. Yes. If if some six-year-old who's watch gonna watch the show, I'm not sure, I'm not sure what the thing is, isn't not gonna give a shit if that if um the thing's black or white.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Yep, absolutely. Yep, same same with any race. If any if any character is a different race than what they are in the book or the thing, I just don't understand why that's an issue for people.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

So anyway. But again, actually, the more you think about it though, what if it was the other way around? What do you mean? If he was black in everything and they talked up to white. Like obviously I wouldn't care.

Meghan and Harry

SPEAKER_01 28:10

But like if you were Well, I can't speak for everyone else. I'm not here to speak for everyone else. I'm here to speak for myself, but like I wouldn't change my thoughts on it. I'm not here, I'm not uh fussed about the race of a character. I'm fussed about the quality of acting as well. And see if that actor is the the best suited for the role, yeah, then he should get it. No matter what their race is. Yeah, oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like it black, white, Asian, whatever, like whoever is the the best suited to the job, um, just go for them. Like whoever's the best actor, most qualified, whatever. I really don't see it as an issue. But anyway, so you you do need to research about it because I actually think it's it's gonna ramp up as the series comes out. It's gonna become a bigger thing. Anyway. Another big thing I did see as well, um, was uh Megan and Harry toured Australia this week. What did you think of that? I just don't care. Why?

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Why who cares? Like people touch grass. Like, who cares?

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Who gives a shit?

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Well, I care. Who cares? They've gone and they've gone. They've gone to a hospital. Why do you care? Why do you care?

SPEAKER_01 29:13

They their security and all their escorts and stuff like that, that was our taxpayer money. Okay. Yep. But they're not royals anymore. Okay. So why should we pay for these private citizens to do all of that?

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Sure, I'm sure there's so many people who would be like that. It's just n it's not a specific thing for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

And that's why my issue with them is the fact that they're hypocrites. Because they and and Harry grew up in in privilege, right? You can obviously talk about the situation with his mum. Oh, yeah, but even no, even I agree with you. You grew up in in privilege in palaces with you know, you never have to have financial worries or anything like that. I'm not taking away from the tragedy of his mum, but compared to everyone else, he was extremely privileged, right? Um now he then, you know, complains and and claims that he couldn't properly live his life, etc. And you know what, there might be validity to that, but in the end of the day, I don't have time for people who are in such positions of privilege, whinging and complaining to the extent he is. My issue as well is the fact he then leaves the royal family. You know what? Good on him, he's entitled to do that. Go fuck off to wherever you want. Don't don't come out because clearly you don't want to be in the public eye. He then writes a book, goes on a book tour, goes on Oprah, they're touring the world. I mean, what happened to not wanting to be in the public eye? Because I'm looking at this, and guess what? Well, they're in the public eye the entire time. So I know, but you're but you're I know.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Do you Okay, but I want to get I want to delve deep into this. Is your issue with them personally, or is it with the with the them being hypocrites?

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Well, which would be that would be a personal issue.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

No, but it's like is it is it their whole life, is it their whole thing, or is it just as soon as it became they've just his action? Okay, I think action.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Okay, I think as I said, I I dispute the fact that he had this really hard life in the royal family. I dispute that. But you know what? If he wants to leave, which he did, if he wants to go and fuck off and live somewhere else, do that. If you want peace and quiet, go and do that, right? But if you want peace and quiet, you stay with a low profile. You don't start writing books, going on tours, going on talk shows. That's not what you do. So it is a hypocritical.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

But is it but is it the action of him actually doing that, or is it Harry themselves? And although it's again, that's just Harry, that's not Megan. Oh, oh, I have yeah. Well, what's the issue with Megan?

SPEAKER_01 31:33

Well, because think he seemed to be completely fine until she came onto the scene and then he started complaining about having all these issues and stuff like that. So I think clearly she's quite confused.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah, but again, I I don't want to blame I think that's quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I do, because it's like such a simple thing. I don't want I don't want to accuse you of anything. And then complain.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

I don't want to accuse you, but I think deep down that's a bit of a sexist trope. Nope.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

I if I think if Harry was the princess and the evil stepmother or the evil wife coming along. If Harry was a princess and then married some guy from the US and then did the same thing, I'd also be calling that guy out. It has nothing to do with sex.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

Yeah. I know, I I know, I'm I'm just saying it. I guess they're saying it can be perceived as that by and also that she people she I don't know. I I just think the treatment of her was just ridiculous as well. In what way? Well the whole race stuff. All the media, they're being racist.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

By the way, the royal family. According to who? According to them. Yeah. I think that's they're correct.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

But that that's motivated by them. Yes. You get what I'm saying? Sure, there's no bosses dependent.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Even then, even then with the ha the way the media treated her was racist. The race element. Well, the way that at the wedding and all of that, there was there's been stuff in the media. What about the wedding? Well, no, there's been stuff in the media. You can't name it. In the sun. I mean what article? They were just being I'm not talking I'm not a fucking intact people. You're saying they're racist, but okay, what? No, I think I'm no, I said they're being more race-based. Like it's it's it's they it's it's deep down, it's just it's if she was if there was nothing with this with Catherine.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah, there was. Because they had relationship issues. She was with him and then he went and dated other people, and there was a whole thing about that. There was. Oh, I don't know. No matter who. And look, I don't think we're playing into the family. I'm not here to stand up for the family. No, I don't like the royal family. I'm a Republican of spiritual. Me too. What I'm sick of is people who whinge from positions of privilege, number one, and then who are hypocrites, number two. That's why I'm attacking them. I'm I'm not here to stand up for the royal family, you know. I'm not for them, but like in the end of the day, this idea that these people who are victims, you know, famous rich movie star, famous rich prince, the fact that they're trying to fucking victimise themselves for a quick buck, might I add, because they fucking write shit about it. I don't have time. I don't have time for that shit. No, thank you. Anyway. No?

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Because I'm I just don't care. I just don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

But like just saying, let these people do what they want, and who cares? I don't care. Yes, let them do what they want. Exactly. Why are they coming and touring shit?

SPEAKER_02 34:06

We have bigger, we have bigger fish to fry to fry, but then Harriet and Megan Harrick and Megan be hypocrites.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

We have bigger. Absolutely. It's true. Uh but that doesn't take away from the fact that they're hypocrites. And as I said, I'm not behind the victim mentality because you're yet to provide me proof of fucking.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

I think they are no. To be to be completely and honestly fair, they obviously fucking are hypocrites, right? Yes. That that is that is objective, right? Thank you. Because they wanna point they wanted to live in whatever. But I just don't care. I just don't normally care. I care when they come to my fucking country and start, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

People have sleepless nights thinking about this shit. I can assure you I have not had a Do you know what I have had a sleepless night thinking about this?

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Whatever you had a sleep.

Angus Taylor's Immigration Policy

SPEAKER_01 34:47

It's a great segue. Look how good at this podcasting I am yet. I'm uh Angus Taylor's immigration policy. I'm just looking, I have my run shit here and I'm like, fuck, I gotta move on here because I'm just getting ready for the fucking thing. What do you think? What do you think about Angus Taylor? Are you having sleepless nights about? No, I don't. Oh well, I haven't really. Oh wow, so you are a racist. Excuse me. If you're sleeping with this policy being out, then I didn't even.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Well, I I all I've heard about it is that because I obviously I was just busy last week. I'm a busy man. Places to be, people to see. Um they're gonna round are they correct me if I'm wrong, are they gonna round up 65,000 or 67,000 people? And then support the number's 77,000.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Oh, but it's even more. Yeah, I know. I'm not saying it's any better. So I'll try and break down for people. I don't have any notes in front of me, so I'm just gonna try and do it. So there's a few things that that are happening. Um basically, right now, when you immigrate to Australia, when you, I believe, are granted citizenship or immigration. Point is when you at some point when you arrive, there's a there's a value statement. And and Angus Taylor's argument is right now it's ticking a box. You all you do is tick, you're not really acknowledging there's no way to hold people accountable for that. So his his idea is by making people sign a legally binding document on these Australian values. Now, that's stupid because them Australian values are already reflected in the Australian legal system. Meaning if someone violates their values, they're actually already committing some form of crime, meaning they're already being prosecuted. Now, because that would be a legally binding document, that will only be signed by people immigrating to Australia, which are migrants, right? And that becomes a race-based thing. Because that means they're hit with uh multiple charges, not just for breaking a law in the first place, but also for breaking an Australian value. Right. Now no one we we couldn't Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like that that means that there's almost a two-tiered justice system.

SPEAKER_02 36:41

Yes, but to play devil's centric, do be fair to play devil's advocate. I don't think you can in this situation. Well, I'm just saying to play devil's advocate, because you're completely right about the two being a two-tiered whatever. But I guess there's a difference in a sense that we're since we're born here, we have this kind of we have a sense of a birthright, right to be here. As in, I feel like if we what if Angus was smart, he'd do this for everyone, everyone would have this. Yeah. But if you were Australian, you'd be put in jail. But that's the thing, he's just a big thing. But then I don't think we should anyway. Yes, anyway, I know. It's just a mess.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Yes, no, so and then even then with that sorry, that was a bit of a brain fart or something. No, no, no, no. I get where you were going with.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

No, but I just realized anyway, don't worry, continue. No, go ahead. No, no, I I I have nothing I told the pay for what you say. I know, I I can I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Yes. So anyway, I'm just saying, you know, if if certain people are also obliged by a legally binding document plus the law, then that means they're obliged by more laws than Australians are, and then that inherently, that definition is a two-tier justice system based on race. Um another thing I take immense issue with is the fact that apparently being born or not born in a liberal democracy inherently makes you a good or a bad person. Um his argument is because uh their values align with ours, but I can guarantee you there are a lot of American values that don't align with Australian values. There's a lot of English values that don't align with Australian values, and vice versa. So I think the idea that we can just say, oh well, liberal democracy equals good, not liberal democracy equals bad how is that that's just that's just that's just racism.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

It is.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

I don't know how you can discriminate i and it goes against this whole thing about the Liberal Party and their val their value and their ideology is all about individualism, all about treating the person based on the the person themselves, uh don't care about your background, don't care about anything that can be good or bad, this case very bad, um, and they're just completely throwing out the window to appeals to appeal to some fucking, I don't know, some cooker on the street who go like I I just don't any like I just don't understand the logic of that.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Yes, I don't understand logic either, but as well, you know, speaking of hypocrites as Harry and Meghan, but it's hypocritical because you know you take a look at the people who shamelessly sit behind him in parliament, many of them, you know, not not not all of them, but there are quite a few liberal MPs who weren't born in liberal democracies. Yeah. As simple as that. So he's basically saying inherently that his own MPs values. Like, I don't even know why I have to debunk this, but it's like you get what I'm saying? This is this is not a reasonable thought. And the reason, and then we have to look, you know, well, why is he floating this unreasonable shit? And then it's obviously, well, he needs to try and out one nation, one nation. And what do you think about that? Do you think it's going to be a successful job in doing so or no?

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Well, I did see one nation's going down in the pot, but it's not really the him.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Well, yeah, look, I don't think it's necessarily solidified as a decrease in the polls yet.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

They have reached a peak for now, right? They're not then they're not going up anymore for now. Yeah. Now, I think again, we talked we touched on this um a few episodes ago. The Liberal Party needs to understand, and even the Labour Party, not so yet, because the Labour Party hasn't really done anything, but for both it's for everyone. The rise in one nation isn't because Australia has certain has um suddenly turned to the far right or suddenly turned right wing. It's nothing to do with that. It's just because people want populism. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

So, you know, if it is gonna go after this, this is it, this is good luck to him because I guess it's a formal populism. I guess it is. Yes. But like, I don't think the average person who's gone to one nation, you can't, first of all, you can't out uh you can't out-immigrant fucking one nation.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

You said out-immigrant one nation.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

You mean out-immigrant one nation politically. Yes, you can't out, like you can't out, yeah. I think you can't out help labour. I 100%, yeah, 100%. I mean the Greens will try, but I'll speak about the Greens in a sec, actually, because there's something they deserve credit for. There's a lot actually the Greens deserve credit for. I'm so c fucking love the Greens this way. I'm in a very you've met me at a green time in my life, anyway. Um we always like, oh, thanks. Uh one okay, yeah, people want populism, it's a natural thing. Yeah, we all crave it to an extent, right? Um the the thing, luckily with Australia, is we have an electoral system that does not um allow populism to really gain traction electorally. And that's because the way preferential voting obviously funnels people down to two party preferred, and a lot of the time one of them parties is going to be one of the mainstream parties because that's where a lot of the support is. You look at the US, however, and that's very different with the electoral college and stuff like that, and and a popular vote as well. Um obviously it's electoral college, but just generally, even if you're looking at first past the post in the UK. And I think in them instances, the left should absolutely go to the to the fringes and go populist, because that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Well that's what I think the Democrats are uh or elements of the Democrats are starting to do in the UK.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

The Greens doing in the UK, because that's how you beat them, because it's all about motivating people to get out and vote, right? So in them systems you can uh embrace populism. In Australia, it's like you are really digging your own grave if you're trying to embrace populism, because it it uh we do not have a system that rewards it far as much as as the UK first past the post in the US electoral system does. Do you get what I'm saying? I do, no, I mean you're running yourself into the ground, especially if you're trying to chase a populist. You know, if you're the populist in the first place, that's one thing, because that's your brand. But then moving from mainstream to populism, that's even worse.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

No, I completely um agree with what you're saying. Oh I I somewhat agree, mostly agree. Um I think though, what I'm trying trying to say is it it's not a left versus right thing, it's just populist versus non-populist, right? Yeah. So let's just say hypothetically if the Liberal Party went populist, like, or tried to do more popular. Something like a bit like hasty. Let's say like hasty or whatever, like right, let's let's say there's they throw out all the economic conservatism and they, you know, they go for gold, right? I think I I wouldn't count it out, you know. Like I know what you're saying, like traditionally, yes, in this um country we have not rewarded populism.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

You really I maybe I just have too much hope in Australian people. But I think like we you know what? Like we live in a very culturally diverse um country. I just don't think that statistically Well I just don't think statistically being a racist is gonna come.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

No, no, but I'm not even talking about um right-wing like let's just use another example.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Let's just say hyper this is hypothetical. Let's say Larissa Water grows a brain and yes, let's just say that, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:38

And it's all this economic like that like they brought out um stuff around the finances. Have you seen that?

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Taxes is what I wanted to talk about, which I'll quickly do while we're on the topic of the Greens. The tax the one percent stuff is great. They need it they really need to hone that in.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

I think the idea is Well for people who don't know, by the way, the Greens have basically come out with this whole thing around taxing the one percent. They've always believed the policy is.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

They're marketing it, they've gotten some fucking wanker consultant from the Australian Institute to probably do it right now. It the the campaign itself is great, the content in the campaign is fantastic. I think Larissa, though, she released a strange video standing on a bridge talking about it. I mean, honestly, I swear sometimes I wish she fucking got hit by a car on the bridge because she knows because she is such a wasted opportunity. She has such a good policy right there. She has the marketing behind it, but there is nothing exciting about Larissa. Do you get what I'm saying? Because I really want this to do well for the Greens. I really want this policy because if it does well if it if if the Greens pick up traction from this, it will make Labor move on this, which I want to see. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. But it's actually ultimately the buck stops with her. She is not bringing that excitement. And now we're going to see that more than ever because they have all the flashy shit, you know, about this tax 1% stuff. That's all gonna look great, but then when it comes to the leader, we're really gonna see finally her exposed to being a lifeless nothingness.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

I know, but like I feel peop I feel like people give Larissa too much um of a hard time. Like when you look at the polling. Okay, what's the case for Larissa? Well, I just that well, the polling's increased. Okay, they move from what 13%. I know, but you're you're measuring it on the wrong um figures. Like you you can't just do it on out of a hundred. You have to do it off what they got last time. Yeah, so they're what they're at one percent. No, no, no, but you got like you put like I'm doing the Maria Kavasik numbers. I'm doing like if you for example, if they're on 13.5, right? And they got twelve percent last time, you put 13.5 over twelve. Right? Yeah. And you get whatever the excess over a hundred is is how much.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

I'm getting roughly where you're going. You're saying that picking up one percent, you can't measure it out of a hundred. Yes. One percent's more than you actually think. Yes. Because that's yeah, yeah. No, I get we I get where you're going with that. Um look, I just still don't think she has the excitement. I don't think she has the excess. Oh, I I agree with you. They need a better communicator. So anyway, point is great policy greens, fantastic. Um, but you you really got to sort out Larissa because she's not doing it. Also, shout out to New South Wales Greens with all of the Palestinian protest advocacy that they've got. Yeah, that was interesting.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

Overturned fucking But he's still defending it.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah. You know, they're not in the He is in Chris Mins for those who are not following. He's still defending the unconstitutional protest laws that you think at Lito saying.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Oh look, we don't know. We'll have to well, this is before the court not before the courts now, but you know, you think he pr tread a bit more of a Yes um a solitary line. Yes, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Like of course he should have fucking he is so yeah, definitive still in in the way he approaches is very scary, I think. People like that though.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

I I don't know who he will win. He will, he will, but I think And I think because it it appeals to these weird, I don't know. I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

It just because there's a there's a there's a base of people in Australia who, if they really had to choose between being pro-Palestinian sympathetic and pro-um Israeli sympathetic, they would a hundred percent say they would be more towards the Palestinian cause. However, they're against protests because protests annoy them. Do you get what I'm saying? These are the people out in Western Sydney where they don't like people complaining and pink-haired people, you know, holding up placards, but they would be for the Palestinian cause. Then people might look at that and think that that do you get what I'm saying? It's a positive thing. But anyway, my point is the fact that he saw a hard line on it is extremely concerning for a Labour leader. Anyway, so that's why I was just saying good job on the Greens, um, in terms of the New South Wales Parliament. They were obviously talking about that. So anyway, it will be very interesting to see Um how this immigration policy lands. Do you have anything else to say about it or no? I think that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Well, if it I I just think he's cra I'll do it. I just think he's crazy doing this in a time where n all the ice stuff is happening.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

No, 100%. That's pretty much what he's saying. Yes, I mean, think of what happened to Peter Dutton, he got done because he got tied to Donald Trump. I mean, seriously, what what's the point? And Trump will still be president at the next four.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

We don't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

Trump would have been more popular this time last year, during the election, than he is now. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? So Peter Dutton was dumb enough to tie himself to Trump when Trump was almost somewhat popular, a lot more popular than he is now. Now Trump's completely underwater and Angus is tying himself to him. I mean, seriously.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

No, and I'm writing on the wall, Angus. What are you doing? And what do you call it? Trump, well, you don't know, he might die, might whatever. Um he might still be present. He will still be present at the next election when he's gonna be able to do it. Provided nothing happens, he'll be president. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

And so I And he'll be even more unpopular because what's the trend during your presidential term? It's like this the entire time, pretty much, right? And if if he's really bad now, can you imagine how bad it's gonna be in two years' time?

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Well it people will absolutely The next election will be very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

Yeah, in Australia or the US?

SPEAKER_02 48:54

No, in Australia or in the US at this.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

In the US, I I guarantee you, hands down, I I put all your money on it, put your house on it, whatever. The Dems will win the presidency in 2028, I guarantee it. You reckon? Yeah. It will either be the Dems or a third party if there's a shock. I guarantee you a shock. A third party is more likely to win than the Republican Party, just putting it out there. Like I do not see JD Vance or Marco Rubio really becoming president right now. What about Tucker? What if Tucker run to the Republic? Well, that's what I'm saying, maybe a third party.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

What if he Yeah. It would have to be someone who's really outside. Again, you look, USA isn't really my thing.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

It's just a bit I just don't see how how the Republic a Republican in the Trump admin is gonna somehow win the next election. It's just not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Yes. I think but I you just can't count it out though, because you don't want to get complacent. But I think as well, but I think as well I think America is gonna get to a sp a spot very quickly, and I think it will happen where they're just gonna have one ye one uh party terms. I think the Republicans might will probably win back in 2032.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, but that's gonna become like midterm. People just get really frustrated with whoever the incumbent is because they're not doing enough. Um meaning that yeah, so you're saying we'll just have one term, one term, one term, one term. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that the Republicans are uh in the wilderness forever. I just think that's a good thing. Oh yeah, and actually, if you're looking at there's a it's very, very unlikely for them to win the presidency in 208. That's just what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

And that's what I and that reminds me, that's what I hate about um the analysis. When you look at it, whenever when the Democrats lost last time, it's like Democrats in shambles, the Democrats are a mess, blah blah blah blah. When the Republicans lost in 2020, Republicans are a mess, blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. 2016, 17, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

The Dems picked themselves up pretty quick because then the I'd say in 2025 the Dems actually had a pretty good year.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Well, yeah, well that they won, they they did quite well in all the elections.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

I would dare to say that they're actually in a good position right now. Would you say they're in a good position? I would say yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

Yeah. But like the idea that again, again, they say it every cycle that they're fucked.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

The party that lost is fucked, they're fucked forever.

SPEAKER_02 50:59

But again, is that really to do with the Democrats or is that more to do with Trump? In what way? If tr if like is that because the Democrats have picked themselves up, or is that just because they're Republicans?

SPEAKER_01 51:09

I think a bit of both. I just think I think there's some Democrats who are smart and have capitalised on it, and there's some Well, I think the ones who are kind of pro Israel and all that have shut up.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Yeah. I think that's when you when when you when you look it up that the in twenty four and twenty three proudly and proudly pro Israel. Now they're not saying it.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

The the establishment has gotten the memo that the tides have changed. Yeah. And and rightly so.