Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I just wanted to um why Welcome to the Oliver Wilde experience featuring Oscar Thompson. Here, controversial public figure Oliver Wilde unpacks the forces of money, power, sex, and culture in candid conversations with embattled party planner Oscar Thompson. Hello?

SPEAKER_02 0:29

You've just forgotten to do it. Let's go, come on. Hello everyone!

SPEAKER_03 0:34

And welcome to the Oliver Wilde Experience featuring Oscar Thompson. I'm very deflated this week. Who? You.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

You're the one figuring out.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

I'm also deflated, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Money, power, and sex, and culture. You're so locked out. You want to go into the.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

I know, I'm on every drug under the sun. I had a strep saw, then I'm just. I thought you were about to say I had. Honestly I understand that. So guess what? If I have to walk out because my gut has issues, then I might have a few problems. Why do you have paprika on your bedside table?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

I'm just looking at this right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Oh, I don't even want to do that. Oh, that's no, the oil's like separated from the because okay, this is why I have paprika. Okay. When I order my Uber Eats, right? And then I bring it up. And then, for example, I always get my chicken wrap and chips from a nah. It's beautiful. It's only like$10. Like in total, by the way, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

They're definitely losing money on that. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

They brought it up to ten fifty, but you know, it's like I can afford it in this crisis. They bring it up, and then well no, they don't bring it, I bring it up, and then what do you call it? I put the paprika on the chips. And it's the best thing ever. Because you know, you know how that's actually I want to thank you for that. Because I had never had paprika before until we went When did I get you? We got we went to Um Chat Sword. Do you remember? Nando's at Chat Sword? That's that's the periperri price, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

And I thought that's fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

And then I'd forgotten about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

You can just do that at home. Like you can put any type of spice or herbs on your yeah. But do you know what's actually better than paprika and periperri? I prefer like herbs and like feta cheese. Oh, yeah, that's not a cheap. I think that's a better combo than than the spice. Yeah, sure, but I'm not gonna keep a feta thing in my room.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

I mean, I wouldn't have no you know what I really wanted though for my birthday? No one got it for me. What? I wanted a mini fridge. I wanted a mini fridge in my room.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

That would be quite good. You should install like a little kitchenette instead of like your wardrobe. You should put it in the wardrobe.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

I just want to live like I'm in a nursing home. I want to have a TV, I want to have a mini fridge. Yeah, but TVs are outdated.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

Like you don't need no but you don't need a TV in your room now like you did 10 years ago because you can just stream stuff on your like laptop and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Of course, but like I just want to lie on my bed and I just want to watch the TV.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 2:56

But what the fuck are you gonna watch on TV? Just the news.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

But you can watch that on an iPad or a I know I could, but it's just like It's just what?

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Nicer viewing? Well, yeah, and it's just I don't know. There's just something about it, just I can just lie down, I can be on my phone, I can multitask as well, which you can do on your iPad. Like I always have a split screen and I have whatever, but I just want to have it up. And I like it in the background as well, the noise.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

So you know how you were talking about you want to live in a like a nursing home. Would you would that come with the staff? Like, are they gonna be people or you know, wipe your ass and wash you?

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Like well no, actually, oh god, actually, that you talked about wiping asses. You know what I've had to do lately? Well, we should just end the conversation. I've had to put water on my toilet paper.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Okay. Wait, can I guess why? Why? Toilet paper's sometimes like too dry to like handle it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

Yeah, no, I agree, because that takes forever, and I'm like, I I don't have time, I've got plenty of sort of thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

We're actually about to dive into the consistency of shit submit here, so I apologize in advance. But sometimes if you back out a really dry shit, um toilet paper, yeah, it just doesn't do it. You you need the you need it it it's be a bit wet.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Well, it's weird, it's like a weird kind of horseshoe thing because you've got a dry where it's dry, which it's span time to get it. The ghosts shit goes to the phone. It's so good. Yeah, yeah. It's the best time. But then there's some real bad ones in the middle, which it just takes forever and ever and ever. And I'm like, I'm not I don't have I don't have time. Yes. So I just put water on it and it's done into the stuff. It does the trick.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Well then we we we had stuff to speak about in this intro, but I'll add to the shit thing actually in the toilet paper thing. Um, you know, and we'll we'll get we'll get to this more later in the podcast, but this is topical for this. Um like my my mum was talking about stockpiling toilet paper. Um yeah, and I'm like, mate, they don't make toilet paper in Iran, and she's like, you just wait and see, you wait and see. But you know what I said to her, that would be one of the last things I stockpile. Because if you need to clean your ass, just use the shower. Like just go and wash your ass in the shower. It does a better job. You get what I'm saying? I don't like doing that. Well, it it's cleaner. Sometimes if I have had an abominable shit and I I need to like I just feel like I need to clean myself, I'll just get in the shower and rinse out my ass. Anyway, anyway, so um I've got Doctor P.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

I don't even get used to. Hey, I'm I'm just being I'm being openly. How do you add your large Big Mac meal? That's the quiet. That's hygienic.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Oh but no, I have the fucking cleanest ass in the world, everyone.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Why is that ass?

SPEAKER_02 5:38

I I like to alternate between ass and ass. I I have the cleanest ass in the world. It'd be funny to call them an asshole. It really because what's so great about that is the same word but almost different meanings in the sense ass, you're getting a very different vibe as ass. Ass sounds like you're like a really snobby like prince or something, which is why sometimes it's funnier. Because if I say ass, it makes me sound like I'm some black woman from the hood of Detroit.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

You're just a dickhead, like it's just you're a dickhead. Yeah, you're an ass.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

It's an R P part. You're an A part.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Yeah, you're very true.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Anyway. Um, so there we go, we've ticked the box there. But um, anyway, so this week, uh I've actually, I don't know about you, but I've been listening and thoroughly enjoying Kanye's new album, Bully. Have you listened or not?

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Well, I didn't listen until you told me to. Yeah, because I I told them I want to speak back. You know what? Because I kept on seeing that song that was full of auto-tune. I'm like, this is just shit. That's the best one. It's better than it I thought it was. Uh sorry, uh what was I I did listen to the album. I liked it more than I thought I would. Um Oscar knows I tell Oscar the the songs I like from Kanye, especially like the recent ones, I'm not really sure about the old ones. Is that the or the Jesus ones, the Follow God, I like that song. From the Jesus is King album, so that's the one. And the one Donda? Donda as well, yeah. But the Donda Donda Donda song, but like the album. Yeah, yeah. The album. I like that one as well, but I actually quite I've actually gone back and listened to a few, but it gets worse as it goes on.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Yeah, because it's it the album's unfinished.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

Yeah. Yeah. So like I'm listening, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:20

I'm like, I'm enjoying this, and then it gets to It gets to After about um Brothers and Sisters or Sisters and Brothers Punch Drunk, it gets to Punch Drunk nut up.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

No, Punch Drunk is good. So I did get four songs. Go to the number one in there that I like. I can't remember which one it was.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

I like the Spanish one.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Um you want the diversity.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

I actually put it with Bad Bunny because I I didn't see the thing, but it's more than one fucking Spanish singer, mate.

SPEAKER_02 7:49

Um but I mean, look, I I thought the album impressed me more than I expected because um Vultures 2 and Donda 2, especially Vultures 2, was absolutely shocking and abhorrent. Um and I think I had low expectations. And I think yeah, the album's probably about a six out of ten. Um my favourite songs are I like Father, All of Love, I think, as well. The Spanish song, I can't remember the name. I like Punch Drunk. I also think Whatever Works is extremely um underrated. It that that kind of soul sample and stuff, it reminds me of stuff that you'd hear on late registration. Um it also reminds me a bit of Burn from Vultures One, which was I think by far one of the best um songs that Kanye has released in the past few years. Um But yeah, look, overall I think it's alright. It it is very sad as well though, like as a slightly more devoted Kanye fan, constantly seeing him just crash out and kind of destroy his own.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

What are your thoughts on that? Do you like do you condone it or do you just like kind of support are you like Kanye West Love and 911 or whatever?

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Like, well, like, well, it's the type of thing where whether I if I condone it or if I support it, um, or if I disagree with it, you know, whatever my stance is, whatever label you want to put on it, it's not gonna change what he's saying. Of course, of course. If I stream his music, it's not gonna change what he's saying. Of course. Like, so like I don't know, I don't really take a position in that in the sense that it's just it's uh it's irrelevant to me because I think you can separate enjoying someone's music. Of course. Just like, you know, you know, Pete some some people would probably call all Kanye listeners anti-Semitic, yet them people, um them usual generally conservative people like that, and and more mainstream people, I guarantee you they're not out here calling every Harry Potter fan transphobic. Do you get what I'm saying? So you need to separate the art from the artists and stuff like that. So I don't know, look, I mean there's been quite a few artists that have crushed out, some have redeemed themselves. I think that this album puts him on the right track. Um, hopefully he continues to refine it.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Well, you were saying to me that it's likely he'll go back and uh change the album.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Yeah, because he does that frequently. Yeah, like uh when Kanye releases an album, it's never gonna be left like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

So will there be songs that'll just be wiped off, do you reckon?

Horoscope Update

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Yeah, well he already changed circles. He removed the Don Tolliver part of it, and now it's just him. Which is it's questionable because circles already had many changes. They actually had a different sample at the start, then they released the one that they did, people were upset with Don Tolliver. I'm assuming then he told his people I don't want to be on this song. So now it's only like a minute 26, and like there's only like four lines, and just Kanye saying he's going in circles. So what I'm saying is we're we're in a funny. It's just constantly changing. You never know what you get. Some changes might be good, some changes might be bad. Um we just need to see. So that's that. This week to switch it up a little bit, uh, because we do eventually, once maps is completely over, we're gonna move to horoscope updates where we read out our horoscopes. Um we thought we'd give you a preview this week and we try it out this week just to see how it goes before we completely switch to it. So, what's your horoscope for this week and what's your star sign again?

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Okay, I'm an Aquarius. Yep. I think everyone in the fucking world knows by now.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

I can't remember Aquarius. Oh, really? Yeah, I couldn't tell you what you were.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Um my theme for this week is communication, confidence, and clarity. This week, this week brings a mental reset, especially after recent confusion or delays.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Confusion.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

You'll feel clearer about money, self-worth, and direction. I don't think I need more um clearer about money. With Mars entering Aries on April 9th, your communication zone is energized. Expect more confidence, speaking up, networking, or pitching ideas.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

There's all the irony as well. You're talking about communication half the time you were stuttering.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

There's also a strong push towards self-expression and desire. Saying what you actually want instead of holding back, what to watch. Don't rush decisions just because energy is high. Avoid com overcommitting socially or mentally. So the bottom line is this is a power power. I I've really had a case. I need to go to a um I need to go to a speaker best because. That's what you can do this week, is you're supposed to No, because I c I've lost how to say between W's and Rs. If I say weed, read. What? If I say read, read, am I saying weed or read? Weed and read. They're different. I'm a communications expert. You're literally power. Power. Power week for speaking, connecting, and asserting yourself. Just say strategic, not impulsive. I think this is I don't like this week. You don't like it? At all. It's just not me. It goes against that whole ambition stuff.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

What do you want your week to be? A week of no networking.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

I just want I just want I just want to um I don't know, find a wife. Just expect to family values. Small elibra right here. So what you just want your fucking thing to tell you that you're gonna put into life. I just want something that I just you know. I don't want to do this. This is just not for me. Okay. Do you want your vertical horror? Hit me with it.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Hit me with it.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Your theme is rest. Was that the dog barking? Rest reflection and rebuilding structure.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

You need this. I do need it, because I was saying actually earlier, um for 48 hours this week, I I only had four hours of sleep, two hours each night. And then the night after I only had like four. So I I desperately need to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

But I think this will materialize because you're on StuVac. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna do fuck all. I'm looking forward to it. Early in the week, you're being pulled toward home, rest and emotional reset, especially if work has been intense. Midweek, the Capricorn Moon, brings new ideas and clarity, often by revisiting the past or unfinished business.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

What's my unfinished business I need to finish?

SPEAKER_03 14:08

By the weekend, you regain your discipline and planning mindset, helping you organise your next steps. There's also a broader theme of growth through vulnerability and trust, even if things have been uncertain. What to watch? Don't overanalyse everything and prioritize rest before productivity. And that's what I do every day. The bottom line: the week this week is about recharging and quietly realigning your life so you can come back stronger and more focused. I'm really happy for you.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

I quite like that one. Maybe I should convert to this type of bullshit. You know, anyway, so what we're gonna do is next week we'll have to see um if this has happened. Or in the next podcast that we do a we do an update on astrology, we will have to um update you guys on it. But yeah, no, I quite like that segment. I think it keeps us in touch with our inner selves.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Yes, I think it does.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

And I think this will it will it will, it's a thought-provoking thing to think back to and then.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

You've got to go open-minded because obviously you don't really like the the star signs.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

But then obviously, if this is what's happening, you know, and I'm also open-minded because we want like I want to open mind to happen, so I might try and influence who I'm gonna do.

Artemis 2

SPEAKER_03 15:23

I also I like these star signs, and but if it's not happening, I'll be well, this isn't happening. Alright, well we'll be open-minded. Next update, we will we'll let you guys know. So on Thursday, there was a rocket that was sent up in the world. The Artemis 2 by NASA, yeah. I thought it was I said it's on Instagram, I thought it was a grape from the grape after that one, but anyway, um, I had no clue what was happening.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

No, I didn't until the morning, and then I was just scrolling on TikTok, and then like NBC or something um had like a live stream, and I actually I got on the live stream about 30 minut no, not 30 minutes, sorry, 30 seconds before it um took off, which was really good timing. And then I saw it take off, and I was thinking, what are the chances that this is about to explode in front of everyone's eyes? And then it got me thinking, Yeah, I also thought that I was thinking like how do they then approach this? On like like how uh do they cut away, but then do they not have no but it's also all those people.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Did you did your stream have all those people there? Yes, yeah. So I'm thinking, what the fuck if this rock rocket goes and like Yeah and kills all of them. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, but I I was just in my room, I was sleeping, and then my grandma calls me. Like, okay, what does she want? And then she's like, Oh, um, there's a rocket, and she I think she said to me, I don't like I don't maybe it was me who fought this and I was just not all there. It was the first rocket since Fingo, Apollo, the one that went to the moon to go to the moon. Um, and so I was like, okay, I want to watch this because this rocket's going to the moon. Yeah, I would not have cared if this had just been going.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Yeah, because basically from what I've heard, and I'll try and break it down in an unscientifically scientific way, without using any correct terminology, but basically it's so it's exited obviously the Earth and now it's circling the Earth because it's riding its like kind of magnetic fields um to the point where it's gonna gain momentum after a few circles and it's gonna basically f fling off and slingshot towards the moon, and then they're gonna orbit the moon once or twice. And that's where I have the issue because it's like, well, look, what are they really gonna conclude from that? They're gonna go close to the moon, they're gonna say, Oh shit, um, there's a lot of craters, it's rocky ground and shit like that. But I don't really understand what research that they're actually getting from that because I could tell you what the moon looks like. Google a photo of it. We have a lot of good cameras on Earth. You get what I'm saying? Look up in the sky and look at the fucking round.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

And there's been a l there's been loads of rockets that have gone from a range of different uh countries that have gone and orbited the moon. Exactly. So it's not like I've I'm not sure how many have actually landed on them. Yeah, I think it's just those. I don't know. Is it just that one? The Apollo? I have no idea. I don't know. This stuff really freaks me out though.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

It's yeah, look, it's all just a waste of money. I also I also had an issue when um they sent up Katy Perry and and the other girl bosses with their flowers up into the um well, they didn't go to the moon or anything, but they went to the point where gravity shifted. Um and I think that's actually interesting as well in a social con context, because you kind of look, that was supposed to be kind of a a female empowerment thing, right? And I actually think that that was probably one of the worst looks for feminism in a while. Now I'm not I'm not saying that's a good idea. In a while, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Like only fla fan for the shit for the five. Well, no, but even though, even then, actually I don't want to show you.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

I don't think that's necessarily comparable to this. We're talking, you know, a big mainstream thing compared to fringe network. But I look, I'm I'm not claiming to be, you know, the decider of you know what is good feminism or bad feminism, but I just think that sending them women up into space carrying flowers and you know they're all hugging each other and stuff like that. I just felt that it was just a bit tokenistic and stuff. And it's like these are all celebrities, these are well-off people. It's not like they've necessarily got um, you know, all like working class women who have always wanted to go to space. Like it's just a bit like it was all show, and once again it links back to that whole thing that it was just a massive waste of the stuff. I don't know, I I think maybe, and that's obviously an accessibility issue. I think maybe a few scientists may have gone on it, but I mean even then. But these are just a bunch of elites going up for a show, and I think they would take everyone for a ride.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

Well, no, but uh the difference is though this Artemis thing is uh funded by NASA, which is the American government agency. That was just Richard Branson and being a billionaire and doing what I think.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Yes, exactly. But he I mean he probably shouldn't have that money to spend. Of course he shouldn't. No. This is like, and I'm not gonna go into my plan for redistribution right now, but I'm just saying, like, I just feel like we're just burning money because I look at that, we're not getting any research out of that apart from the fact that Katie Perry likes holding a fucking flower, right? I look at this this mission circling the moon. I don't I mean, I'm sure there's research being done, but I mean really like we just look up at the sky and the moon's there. No, and also like what's that gonna actually achieve? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. We're not gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

No one's going to conquer no one's planning on going to conquer the moon. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

And then that that that's an interesting thing as well. Because then I was thinking, maybe we should have like a space government. Can you imagine? Well, just to kind of regulate shit. You know, because I'm sure, you know, as we continue to innovate, um you know, I think we need to establish rules and standards. Because what's to stop, you know, certain countries just disregarding that and and going and doing their own shit up there. Well, they're doing it here. That could be extremely that could be extremely harmful.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

With like international law, that's already being stuffed with the case.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

Yes, but do we need intergalactic law? Like we're talking some Star Wars level shit here. But like these are the questions that we're gonna face in the next hundred years.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

I swear, correct me if I'm wrong, and tell me if you don't know, I I swear what's his name? Ronald Reagan, who was the president in the 80s. Wasn't he gonna send up some thing into space? A chimp. No, not a chimp. No, no, no, no, no. A monkey went up to space and never came back at all. Yeah, that was um Russia or America. Probably America, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Who knows? I don't know the monkey personally.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

But it it was gonna be like a big orbit thing, and it was gonna go up into space for like national security thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah, like a base, like an international space base.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Yeah, but it but it was gonna be kind of based off what's that thing in Star Wars? The big the Death Star? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

I mean, look, Ronald Reagan was evil. I don't know if he was that evil.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

I swear this is this is this is what I remember. I feel like that's a little bit more than a little cooker.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

You're telling me Ronald Reagan wanted to build a Death Star, okay. Something like Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

No, no, for national security. Yeah, I don't think it's monologue Death Star. But sure, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Yeah, no, I get you.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

So I understand what you're saying. We need to have rules. That's true. And obviously that never happened because everyone will have thought that's just a bit far.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

There you go. See, I can find something of Reagan I agree with. Um but as well then, like, even then, like, it poses the question that would regulate humans, but then are there uh is there extraterrestrial life out there? Like, do you think that there's life outside of Earth?

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Well, this is quite funny, because my opinion from this just cut from the project, which is just, you know, fantastic standards. What's it astrophysicisty? I don't know. Who knows? I don't know what you're talking about. But there's just no way in Sweet Jesus that, you know, we're the only living kind of humans. I'm sure there's no one like exactly like us. Well maybe there is, but who knows. But I'm sure there's much more kind of human-like people.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

This week the Prime Minister of Australia dramatically addressed the nation. Um, it was a formal address that all the news channels had to automatically put on. Yeah, it was the first one since COVID. Incorrect. Oh. This is this is not true. Why? Uh the press forgot to cover it. Uh the qu when the Queen died, Albanese did a um address to the nation. Meaning that he's the only Prime Minister to have ever done two addresses to the nation. I think Menzies did one, Chifley did one, um, I think Keating did one, Rod did one, Skomo did one, and now Albo's done two. Um I may have forgotten someone there, but just a bit of history in terms of background of the actual addresses. But um so anyway, a lot of people have opinions on it.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

What what were your thoughts? Well, I didn't watch it. I forgot it was happening. I was on a train to Double Bay.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Yeah, see, Westies, all all our lovely Western Sydney listeners, which we have many, um, you know, he's sold out. He's hanging around with all the rich people in Double Bay. I'm on no, I've got a training.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Train dining, business deals. Going into town, I was. But um anyway, um, my thoughts on it was I don't know what people were expecting, you know. People have people people who obviously we are at the very top of politically engaged people in terms of so we know what to expect with things like this and not to expect major in it. Well, what well it just it just didn't have that thing to it. I remember I was looking at question time or something, and it it was just nothing he was giving, he was.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Well you also have to remember you also gotta remember the man. This is this is a guy who is not gonna necessarily he's not gonna poke the bear, he's not gonna stress people out. It's I I I expected it to be a calm, cool, collected type of channel.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

It's exactly what I thought it was. Yes, exactly. And I don't know what I think people who are more less politically engaged but still overly politically engaged, we're just expecting some draconian Trump style like announcement like we've hit we're fucking declaring war on these countries or something. Like I just yeah, I just so I do have an issue.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

Just generally.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

Exactly. Because I guess people were annoyed because they'd taken time out, god forbid, to what turn on turn on a television that they had a pastor collecting dust and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

That's it's ridiculous because that argument of people taking time out and it, you know, him wasting everyone's time, and this could have been an email, this could have been a social media post, said Angus Taylor. Um I mean it's it's just bullshit because it was three minutes, it was short, sharp, straight to the point. Um people and all these cookers on X have spent more time actually talking about the address than they spent listening to it because it was nice and short. And as you said, um, you know, it's just an effective communication tool that reaches everybody. That's right. It reaches both politically engaged people and people who aren't politically engaged, and in doing so, they uh he managed to communicate what the government is doing. That's right. In terms of um, you know, uh halving the fuel excise, um, in terms of moving the heavy vehicle tax to zero, um stuff like you know, national cabinet results, um, all of that. You know, it gave him an opportunity to say this is what the government's doing, and now this is what Australians can do to the point where we're collaborating together because this is basically the best way forward right now. And I think anyone who's complaining about that, I just think like he was never gonna win. He was never gonna win. Of course he was. You know, if if he didn't, if he didn't do the address and didn't make a big thing of it, they would have just kept saying, Well, the Prime Minister's denying that there's a crisis and he's not doing anything. And then he does do it, and they're saying, Well, he's gone over the top, that was a waste of time. Like, he's just never gonna win.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Well, that's the thing, right? In a demand-driven crisis, how do you tell people that the the problem is mostly you?

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yes, because it's all these people. It's all these people who are, you know, out at the petrol stations, you know, with all these fucking they're filling up all these cans. Like, I'm sorry. Like the only thing that's gonna do is make your house explode. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Like it's just and it prices have come down, especially after the fuel thing, and that's also because demand is falling and it's become it is And it will continue. It is true that it's becoming more to do with um how much is coming in, but it is gonna get lower still.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Because a lot of the fuel that we're using now was bought before the excise was slashed significantly. So now a lot of the new fuel coming in over the next few weeks, that's actually gonna be cheaper for people as well. Yeah. Um, and also the stuff with the state's GST windfall, that's also gonna help in terms of you know, because isn't it isn't it isn't it it's not even half now, it's gone down.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

Hasn't it gone down even further?

SPEAKER_02 27:50

I I look I I put it. I think it's down to 33 cents. Looking at um petrol prices specifically every day, but like all I know is that there's good shit going on here, and that was an effective communication tool.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Um and the reason why it was effective is because it was a back to basic old style thing, what what everyone used to do, which is turn on the television and which is why everyone was kind of more um partisan, yeah. Not so not no non-partisan, sorry. Yes, because everyone saw the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

There's no spin, there's no Murdoch bullshit over this, there's no fucking Fairfax bullshit over this. It's literally just that. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Everyone saw the same thing. It's up to people to interpret. It's not up to some fucking corporate billionaire with their glossy news news corporation to tell you what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

And I think though, but I personally think as well, because I think this is another reason why people are annoyed with the whole address kind of wasting time and stuff. Should national addresses, and I think they should be used as a communications tool just to outline government policies.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Yes, absolutely they should.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Right, because that's not what they were originally kind of used for. But I think as we go on to a modern.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

I think in a crisis people want to know what the government is doing to respond to things. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, I d I don't know, I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to use that as a tool. And I mean, even then, look, I think I have had this discussion with people. Um, I'm the only one, and this could backfire in my face significantly, who thinks that uh this response and the way he's gone about it, I actually think it's gonna help Albanese significantly. Because you know, we talk about uh m you know in the modern day flooding the zone where people usually identify and feel most comfortable with the person they see most. This is obviously a prime example of that, because who are they seeing the most? I mean the guy was on every airwave possible, right? So that's number one. But number two, what what also happens in national crises? Typically, when stuff like this happens, there's a rally around the flag effect and the government of the day actually gets bumped. Especially when 61% of Australians attribute Donald Trump. Well, they had a braid way, right? Especially when 61% of Australians attribute this to being Donald Trump's fault. Albanese has at least, you know, tried to communicate with people. I think that this is gonna see him, you know, significantly improve in polling. Because I mean, look, I mean, look at Scott Morrison during COVID. Has he not had wasn't he like the highest approved of Prime Minister for a while?

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

And like, I mean, he's dumber than a fucking sack of bricks, and if he managed to do it, I mean, I I actually think that this could work very well for Labour. Yeah. I mean, this could explode in my face, we could come back to this in three months' time, and we're gonna have to do that. Poland has that leading, you know. Um, but that's kind of at least right now, looking at the cards that uh are on the table right now, that's where I think it's heading.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Do you agree with me? No, no, I because I oh no, oh we've I I just don't know. In terms of polling. It could, it could definitely in a traditional world it your theory is correct. Yeah. But we're living in very unconventional. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

We have a third party now who is supposed to be like a legitimate.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Yeah, but even like with Trump and stuff, it's just like there's a crisis in America, there's a leader crisis in America where no one's really battling around Trump. Even though he's causing it, but you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Yeah. We'll have to watch, but I guarantee you Thompson was right about everything.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

So this week the RBA, the Reserve Bank of Australia, has banned credit card surcharges. Yes. When's this coming into effect?

SPEAKER_02 31:29

This is coming into effect in October.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

Yeah, okay, so get ready for surcharge. Surcharges all of all of a sudden be like two bucks.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

I know, they give it to October free sign because then they they want to have that money left over for later in the year. And there's actually very scummy business practices relating to surcharges. We go. An example was I I used to go to a barber shop. I'm not gonna say the one because the Alan McDing crime family will hunt me down and fucking firebomb my house. But um basically it was a$60 haircut. He would go to his machine and he would type in 62 and claim the two is a surcharge. Now, if it was a surcharge, that would have been automatically added on, but you can see the guy type in 62. Do you get what I'm saying? So, and barbers are very dodgy as well, because then I went to a barber earlier in the week, a different one, and um after the whole haircut was done, it's not like I was told this at the beginning, um, he's like, Oh, sorry, our card machine isn't working today. And he's like, Oh, it's a cash-only day today. And the reason they do that is because then they don't want to pay taxes. I know they don't.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

No, barbers are just the worst um the whole thing. I I completely understand. There's very much the credit card machine never works. I know. The surcharges are like fucking whatever you say. It's just ridiculous. Anyway, sorry, I've just lied. I think no, no, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Like, I think the government needs to respond to this in some way. Like a barber task force? Yeah, we're gonna need something because there's some really dodgy practices going on in there. Um, but I mean, yeah, no, generally with the removal of surcharges, I'm extremely happy about it, and I think it's been sad and also disgraceful to hear that other people aren't, because there's some people out here who are trying to defend um businesses saying that, oh well, um now that the surcharges are removed, businesses are gonna have to pay them fees to the bank themselves instead of customers. Well, newsflash to you, you know, if you start a business, you're gonna have to pay fees. Um and it it links to something similar as well, in terms of when some businesses implement a surcharge on public holidays in order to cover um workers' wages because they're having to get paid rightly so at a higher rate um on a public holiday. You know, newsflash as well, you know, if you start a business, you need to pay wages. So I think all these business owners need to sometimes just get off their eye horse and realise, hey, if you're gonna start a business, this is these are the costs involved. Because it's just not right to pass them costs onto customers.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

Of course, but now I think those are two different very different things. Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

I think of course relate to surcharges. Of course, a mandated one by banks.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Yeah, of course, with the credit card surcharges, it's a good thing that they've gone that it's going to be banned. Yeah. The problem I have with that though is I think it's a bit of a false hope, in the sense that I think pretty much 80% of these small businesses or medium businesses, whatever, will car put that onto the consumer. So you just think they'll jack up normal prices and it won't be by normal surcharge rates, such as what, 15 cents, 20 cents, 30 cents, they'll just around that. It'll be 50 cents.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

To the point where then they're actually gouging people. Yes, right.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

And I think then as well it becomes an issue because I don't think the consumer will blame that business. They'll blame the government, which hasn't really done this, but to be fair, to the government has in the world.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

This is an interesting thing as well, because I got into a fiery debate with someone on TikTok. I'm not gonna name the person because I'm sure people somehow have links to her. But um she was basically saying something somewhat similar, but also complaining about you know how um this is gonna hurt business and all this shit, you know, all the bullshit that you hear. Um and she was just blaming Albanese directly. And I'm like, well, look, in the end of the day, whilst the government supports it, the decision was made and it was ultimately up to the RBA. You get what I'm saying? Like that is. I know Jerome Laxell's also done a lot of stuff on that. He's been posting about it for a while. But my point is is that Oh no, so that was cash. That was that one. Yes, cash. It was Jerome that did the surcharges though. Um and he's actually spot on with a lot of stuff. He does great work with a lot of committees as well. Um but my point is just generally, um, I think like it's it's just wrong to blame the government. It was a decision made by the RBA. Yes. Um whilst government supports it, uh they're just supporting it because they have a brain. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, and and everyone wants to blame Albanese for everything, you know. We talked about it with the fuel crisis stuff. But I mean sometimes you just have to realise, you know, sometimes decisions aren't just made by the government. Same with this same woman complained about um the changes to the the pay for workers over 18, right? Yeah, that's also how to be the SDA. Um, and just generally, you know, that also, whilst the government supported it, that was a decision by the Fair Work Commission. You get what I'm saying? So look, look, people love to blame the government, um, businesses will blame the government, but in the end of the day, also look at the bodies. No, but and I think the bodies make good choices here. I'm just I'm just saying, you know, we need to somehow communicate to people, it's not just the government doing this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

I do agree though, back to that kind of thing with this whole false hope thing back with that the rates, the junior rates. I think the truth is, yeah, there were probably won't now be an incentive to employ people between 18 and 12 years. Which is its own thing, but I'm not gonna get into that because that'll go for too long. But back to public holiday third charges or whatever. Um that really needs to be looked into. Yeah. Okay, because there's no way if they were to remove it, there's no way the business could jack up prices that to meet that. Because then I'll because then no. No one's gonna go there. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

And and it's really unethical because think of the people who are like, let's say you're at a restaurant and this happens. Yeah. If you're dining out on a public holiday, it usually means that you're working on the non-public holidays. Yeah. Meaning that, you know, the people that have public holidays free and might choose to go out on them days, they're they're working class people. They should not be faced with with extra surcharges to pay other workers. Like, that's up to the business. And we need to hold businesses accountable for shit like this.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Yeah, and even then, it's not just small businesses or medium businesses. Now, I was in Melbourne last Easter, right? And I went to GYG. Now, I don't think GYG is a small or medium business. No. And they had, and I'm not sure this is because Victoria is, you know, very progressive and they have God knows what the public holiday rates are there. I'd like to find the center. But um, there was a public holiday surcharge. And then I just fucking walked out like a camera and I'm not fucking paying a public holiday surcharge, and then I went to El Jama. How much was the surcharge? It was 15 or 20%. Okay. That's pretty substantial stuff. Yeah. Right. And then I went to El Jana and it was the same thing. And I'm like, fuck this, I'm going to McDonald's. Because you know what? McDonald's doesn't have a fucking surcharge. Yeah, exactly. But it's just a thing where, you know, I just think these businesses, they really just take us for a ride. They do. Amen. Amen to that. I think that's a good thing. They take their workers for a ride.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

There's games being played, they don't want to pay fees, they don't want to pay wages, like I'm sorry. If you can't do that stuff, don't run a fucking business. And then they they go and hit you, you know, look, you've sent me off now. They go and say, Oh, you know, small business owners and medium business owners, you know, they're, you know, they don't it's not like they have much money, like they're a big corporation. Well, I'm sorry. No like homeless person who's literally living on Skid Row, paycheck to paycheck, just suddenly opens a business like that. They're just not. You can get what I'm saying. You need to have um a certain amount of cash flow to start the business in the first place. You're not seeing someone, you know, necessarily in social housing who who's who needs all of the money to start a business. They're not in that position. It's a luxury.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

My mum actually, I'm not sure I've ever told you this. It's great on the podcast. She's not a business. What'd she sell? No, she didn't sell, she had a service. It was like a massage parlour. I'm not even joking. Oh my god. I'm not even joking. It was like a beautician. That's what it was. I'm not even joking. Right? But she's what the fuck are you talking about? What'd you gotta? I thought that she's been working with the unions for the like a spiritual way. Wait, she went to the unions. Oh. But she she owned it though. So why did she go to the unions? No, she no, she worked at the unions before, then she went to small business, and then she employed people. Then she went to HR? Not even joking. But did she employ people? Okay. But anyway, that's crap, that's why you're not a few of her. This guy, this guy isn't poor.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

He likes to pretend he's living in the business.

SPEAKER_03 40:09

The business owner go in a double bag. But she she could um she decided, you know what, I'm not gonna complain, I'll just shut the business. Exactly. That's no one's fault apart from myself.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

And now she's having a thriving career with the unionists, so that's fantastic. Exactly. Like, yeah. Look, I just don't think you it's like it's signing a business, it's like signing a contract and then complaining that you signed the contract. Yes. Like, you get what I'm saying? Oh my god. Anyway, there we go. We're cracking down on the business as time. Tyra. Yep.