Introduction

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Climate change is a genocide on battery forecast. It is, it really is.

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Here, controversial public figure Oliver Wilde unpacks the forces of money, power, sex, and culture in candid conversations with embattled party planner Oscar Thompson.

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Hello everyone and welcome. That was very, you know, for Monday. And welcome to the Oliver Wilde experience featuring Oscar Thompson.

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Money, power, sex, and culture.

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It's really hot today, isn't it? It's really hot in this room.

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It's been hot this entire week. I haven't been able to do it. I seriously on Monday. I had a heat stroke. I was sending Oscar messages of me panting.

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I know he was sending all this shit like I can't breathe. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna pass out. It's at 9am. And then, yeah, 9am. So I'm lying in bed and I'm thinking, oh fuck, it must be really hot. And then check my phone and it's like 21 degrees and cloudy, and I'm like, what the fuck is this guy going on about? Anyway, no, but I also agree with you. I've had my moments this week as well. Um, for me it's personally the sun because the sun just beats down on me, and because I just have that really white, like kind of Irish skin, it just it makes me go bright red, and then I just feel like I'm gonna explode. And then with that, like my asthma just can't take the heat as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

See, that's interesting because like you say you go bright red, my it's the opposite, I go really pale, and it I think it's to do with my. You're lucky though with that. Uh with my iron just. You'd much rather be pale than red. Yeah, but you're sure, like looks like looks wise, sure, but like I will grab a tomato. Yeah, I don't feel good either. But uh, what do you call it? It's more of like an internal thing. Like, I feel like I'm gonna faint. Yeah. For humidity. So it's more of like your shutting down thing, whereas mine's like I'm gonna explode. And that's the thing, right? Like, it never used to be humid. Like it's always been hot in Sydney, the sun stuff, but it never used to be humid. What you personally remember it back? No, I don't, but like I remember I did some reading on it. Some reading. Yeah, I I'm not even saying for the server reading kind of of a wild fucking university at home. You can read actually and um it never used to be um humid in Sydney. If it was humid in Sydney, it wasn't there was an issue. Like like genuinely. It's only because now, because of climate change, um the tropical quote unquote climate is moving south.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Yeah. Yeah, well, I remember in 2022 we had them tropical storms, and I actually really enjoyed them. Um just because like I much prefer cloud and what why are you laughing about me enjoying tropical storms?

SPEAKER_03 2:47

I've never heard some of my life. We had tropical storms and I loved them. Well I do.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

There is nothing better actually in summer months than like them four or five pm tropical storms. And we had them for a sustained period of time in 2022. Um, like a really long time, for like the first half of the year. Um, and it was just it was just nice because I just felt like it wasn't as hot. Do you get what I'm saying? It was a little bit more there was more diversity. Um I know what you're saying. Because then as well, there's things tied to that El Nino El Nino. It sounds like a fucking GYG order. Like But how so how does that work?

SPEAKER_04 3:27

Um I'm not sure which one is which, but essentially it's a thing in the Pacific, in the sense that one, it goes between Australia's the opposite to like Chile in South in South America. So I believe El Nino's the hotter one.

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Yep.

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And El Nino's probably like I would say we're probably more in an El Nino climate now.

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So yeah, the hotter one. And then it's El La Nina.

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Yeah.

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Is that the really wet one? Yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, um, but even then, like, we really gotta sort out climate change in this country because obviously climate change doesn't just make things hotter, it makes weather more extreme on both ends, right? Which we've just discussed with, you know, intense heat, intense rain. But just generally, we gotta sort this shit out because people like me and you, we are not gonna survive if it gets any hotter.

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We're extinct, we're gone. Yeah, and I'm not sure how much value brings to this world, so you know, if they care about like exactly maybe the world will be a net positive.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

But you know what? Climate change is a genocide on fat people. It just is, it really is. They're trying to take us out.

MAFS Update

SPEAKER_04 4:37

No, I'm not really gonna do anything about it. Yeah, sure, yeah, exactly. Maybe the healthcare fucking they'll have more funding for healthcare if it's cloudy sh or whatever. Who knows? Anyway, my health's going down the drain, so is yours. Oh, of course they'll. Yeah. Seriously, got every fucking thing under the sun. Including autism. So, maps update for this week. Favourite, the best time of the week.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

You get a schooling, don't you? Yeah, because every time I get maps, TikToks, and stuff, um, my only context behind what's actually going on is these conversations that we have every week. So it's actually quite educational.

SPEAKER_04 5:16

Well, the one we were talking about last week, the conservative guy Tyson. Yep. He's gone. He walked off at the commitment server. So he's gone, like fully gone forever. He couldn't handle the pressure. Yeah, because you know, I love how these people quite literally. Um and he left his wife, or supposed wife, on the on the couch. Okay. And she started crying, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

And look, she that's the conservat she's also conservative, hasn't she? Yeah, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

She on her this is what I'm saying. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Yeah, she had it coming. She was talking about in her interview and applying on maths, you know, it's taken someone like Trump to come in and you know put a stop to all of this shit or whatever she said. Something I'm paraphrasing, but whatever. And look, she she was a nice woman, but again, questionable views, like clearly her intentionally. Obviously, she's more like centrist and obviously whatever, but like.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Well, she seems to be a bit more confused from what I can tell and misguided to believe what she's believing, whereas the other guy's just doing it because he's a knot.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

You know, doing stupid jobs. Anyway, the big thing this week was the retreat, that was what the whole thing was about. Okay. Um, the retreat for those who don't know, basically, all the couples on maps, they go, I think they went to Kayama this year.

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Okay.

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And it's just it again, it's another thing of just shit sorry. What's the point of that? What's the point of going on like that? Well, they're putting them all in that environment because they want the content.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

But I mean it's a show in the end of the day. Now of course they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

Beck, we need to have serious issues. Is she do you think she's on do you know who Beck is? You because you've talked about her. Is she on drugs or is she on the reds? We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Well, nothing wrong with being on both. But um, I've actually seen a TikTok discussing is she on drugs or or is she drunk or something like that? And I would say it's it is highly likely that she's on something or or or drunk, right? However, at the same time, as I said, you know, I think in one of the first MAPS updates, or the first time we discussed it, you know, you have to be a special type of lunatic to go on this show. You have to have a screw loose. I mean, look at Syrell, right? Like, you get what I'm saying? So, like, we can't be surprised when these people act the way they are. Like, or or maybe even, you know, and I'm not here because I do believe that there is credibility saying that she's on something. Is that a bit of a sexist thing to say though? Like just just checking out and everyone else?

SPEAKER_04 7:36

No, because it's the way she acts, it's sh it's a consistent thing now where she's unhanded. She well, she's seems like quite a normal person who has morals. Yeah. And then she gets into these environments and she's clearly she's a skinny woman, right? So if she was drinking, it wouldn't take much for her to, you know, guy have a screw loose. And then she it just turns into a a full on shit fest. Yeah. Now, this is what she said, by the way. So you need you so this this might be where you disagree, and you might think, oh, hang on a second. So, Rachel, we haven't spoken about Rachel. Rachel. I don't think I've heard the name Rachel. And I'm not sure what the husband's saying means. You can't be unlocked. They're kind of like the nerdy types. So they're kind of kept out of the way. They're like the normal, they're kind of quite the normal people. Okay. Like Daniel.

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Is the experiment going successfully for them?

SPEAKER_04 8:25

It is. Okay, that's the vibe I was getting the way you were setting them up. Yep. Um, and then they were talking about, for whatever reason, they were talking telling everyone how about um some intimacy they had or whatever. It wasn't sex, it was like something like it well anyway, it doesn't matter. It was just ridiculous, it's just stupid. And then Beck was doing fucking doing a speech, right? Because she's just again, this is what I'm talking about. And she made a joke about how they do.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

You can't even bring herself to say it. I have no idea what you're about to say. It was and we've had finger banging. So is she like trying to like sum up everything that's happened? Yes, and she thought.

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And we've had finger banging!

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And then what happened? Well, Rachel, Rachel just went froze. Like she just went frozen. Yeah, because if they're a bit nerdy, then would they not be the type to necessarily challenge it and fly off the handle, or did she challenge it and fly off the hand? Well, Rachel just kind of s sat there for a while and then it kind of became a whole big thing. I mean, that's a pretty funny thing to say. It was like you're on fucking maths, like you're gonna loosen up a bit. Yes, but it was also a bit of a like So are you against the finger banging?

SPEAKER_04 9:45

I'm a bit 50-50 because it's something I'd say. I think it's funny. I feel like if I was if I had a bit to drink and I was told that I was and also here first.

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Large Boo Map Meal is pro-finger banging. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

Anyway, both but um there's this other show as well now, right? Called After the Dinner Party. It's on Stan, right? I don't have it because I'm not paying fucking ten bucks a month on Stan for just to watch for this show. And they exp exc played exclusive footage where Beck was kind of speaking before she made this speech or whatever, she was speaking to Rachel's husband about it, and the husband was kind of joking along with her. Now, the whole thing is that that kind of validates it. Like if he's going along, he's not having an issue with what she's saying. Yeah, exactly. Then why are they having an issue with that? And then because then Rachel had a big issue. Now anyway, Beck apologised, whatever. But then She shouldn't have apologized.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Well, she made her upset, like, but I don't know, some people just need it, I don't know, go some balls.

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But it just goes against it goes against what she preaches. Okay, in the sense that, like, you know, like she's going out here and say, anyway, no, it doesn't matter. But then it was manipulated.

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Yep.

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Okay, by the people who don't like Beck. That GL girl and Juliet and fucking, you know.

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Yep.

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And so they go to Rachel, kind of get in her head. Okay, so because they want Rachel to join their little fucking crew. Yeah. Okay. Now Rachel is a smart woman, so she doesn't really go with that, but she does confront Beck again. Yeah. I think, even though after she'd apologised, and they just have a conversation, and then Beck's not really happy about it. Like she kind of, and again, it's this alcohol thing. But then um Beck gets into a screaming match with Gio and Juliet about it, but it's that's not there. And by this point, because this is like a Wednesday after the Monday, so it's been 48 hours or whatever, Rachel doesn't want to speak about it. This is the whole thing. She just doesn't want to speak about it. That's she just wanted to put it to bed if she wanted to tell Beck that it was an issue, and now she wanted to put it to bed. Yeah. Um but anyway.

Ramadan and Lent

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Yeah, I mean, God, these people are adults with like the minds of children. Uh like they are acting like kids from what I can tell. Like, it is it not a bit embarrassing? Like if you went on this show and like you're acting like this, like if you had not given us, like if you guys didn't know the context that we were talking about maps, and if you heard what we were speaking about, you would think that we're talking about like primary school drama. Maybe not with the finger banging stuff. Maybe high school drama. There you go. But you get what I'm saying? Like, it's just I don't know. It's these people really need to wake up to themselves a bit. Oh, yeah, for sure. But anyway, that's my that's my two cents. On the agenda for after this podcast recording, we are going to Lakemba. Have you ever been to Lakemba before?

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Funnily enough, it's only ten minutes up the road, like literally.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

It's really close to Westie.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Um, and I've only ever been once, and that was for the 2023 Lakemba Night Markets. It was still it was called Ramadan Night Center, it's changed.

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See, I I've been a few times. Um To Lakemba? Yeah. For what reason? I've just been around. Oh oh, yes. The time that uh the AirPods. Yeah. Yeah, so basically I was just I was in an Uber one day and my AirPods just slid out of my pocket and they were left in the Uber. Um I'm then calling this guy frantically over the Uber app, like trying to reach this guy. He's not picking up or anything. Not me, by the way. No, no, no. I then I then I then get like a really muffled call at like the end of the day, like, Brother, what's wrong? And I was like really like I was like almost accusing him of stealing my AirPods because I'd been in an angry rage. Like I was like, You have my AirPods, you have him! Um anyway, then he sends me his address, and then I'm like, okay, boss man, thanks. I then go to his house in Lakemba, and we're driving down the street, and all of a sudden it's like prayer time. So like everyone's flocking down the street because he lives like two blocks away from Lakemba mosque, and it felt like I was on a street in Bali. You know where everyone's just walking on the street and there's like um motorbikes? Like I swear I saw some motorbike, there was a guy on and he had like ten kids hanging off the back. And I saw about I don't even know what the Thai population is, but I swear I saw about ten Thai lady boys as well there. Um Oscar. Anyway, so um yeah, then I picked it up from his house all well and good. Anyway, that's my experience with Lakemba, but tonight we are going to the Ramadan Knights. Lakemba Knights.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

So excited, I'm gonna eat like a pig.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Yeah, and I think what what do you think about Ramadan generally?

SPEAKER_04 14:30

Just just feel overall. I know I don't care. Like it's I I like it. I I like the vibe. I I like the vibe. I think it's very much it's much more communal than the Christian ones.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Yeah, well, it's a bit of parallels to Lent, isn't there?

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And it feels a bit more, what's the word? Inviting.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Yes, 100% I agree with that. It's a lot more inviting than I think Lent is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Um Well, to be honest, let's be f to be fair, Lent's about the death of Jesus. Yeah. Right. So it's a bit more of a solemn thing, right? Our big one is well not you, because you're not whatever, but the big one in Christianity is Christmas. Yeah. Which I would also say is inviting. But since it's more of a day rather than a month-long period, you can't kind of turn it into a kind of whole festival, a bit of a community thing. It's a bit harder to do that.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Yeah, I I get that. I and that that's what I th I'll start with things that I like about Ramadan and stuff like that, and and Lent and Christmas as well to an extent with that. Is that uh yes, it's it's very much so inviting, it's very much so communal, and I do like the celebrations, and I think we're lucky obviously in Australia that we can all have so many different celebrations and still try and get on with a a level of social cohesion. But then I also then have issues with Ramadan and Len, right? As a secular atheist, right? I look at both of these things and we're talking about what we're giving up, right? Whereas I think what we should be doing is talking about what we're taking up in the sense that how can we actually help people? Because I'm sorry, quitting chocolate or quitting coffee, like you are not helping homeless people out on the streets, you're not helping people in war zones, it's just not happening. That's just the fact. And I don't think that we should enter a state of austerity where we're taking things away from our lives, we should be adding things to our lives. Do you get what I'm saying? And I don't think that taking things away from our lives either would improve anyone's relationship with God, um, whether that be, you know, fasting or or giving things up generally. So that's kind of my take on that. But look, in the end of the day, my whole thing is I would be a social libertarian. I'm not here to tell people what to do. So I have no issue with people celebrating it. That's completely up to them. But my slight issue is is because people are being told what to do to such a rigorous extent, right? To the point where they are not eating for long periods of time um and giving up things that are pretty important to them. What what do you what do you think about my position on it? Do you agree or do you disagree straight?

SPEAKER_04 17:09

Like I understand where you're coming from, but it's just I just don't think it's that deep.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Like I think it is I think religion's very important to a lot of people, and like fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

Yeah, I just think I do think people have more common sense. Obviously, some don't, and some are stupid. Yep. So some are misguided in the way that what do you call it? They shouldn't be doing that for their own health, and they still are. Yeah. But I think for the most part, people and I I for definitely in um Islam Um it's very much publicised that if you can't like if you have these uh health conditions or you're not able to do it, you're able to and you're just as good as a Muslim. Like you j like it doesn't make you that's a good thing, yeah. Yeah. Um and obviously it's more what's a qu quote unquote like extreme because obviously it's a whole day about eating food. Um but with Christianity, I guess it di it differs because obviously orthodoxy isn't the same as Catholicism.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Oh yeah, it's different per denonic.

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Like you're not eating any meat or dairy. I don't think it's either Wednesday and Friday. I think it's the entire time. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

And I look, I just don't think that that's a way to live your life. And I think as well, like I just don't think that it is practical for us in a modern day contemporary society to be living and basing our lives around texts that were written thousands of years ago when society was completely different, right? Because you know, for example, like let's say your mum goes shopping, right? Grocery shopping, because fuck you probably don't. Um, you know, she's not using a shopping list from ten years ago, she's using the most recent one because that's up to date and that's the needs that she has, yeah. Right. You know, so I think there is a danger um in society if we keep looking back always to the past when things were completely different, completely different societies and playing fields. And if we try and create that in the modern day, I think that is to an extent dangerous, especially when you're talking about tradition. Because in my opinion, all this stuff, you know, Lent, giving stuff up, Ramadan, um not eating for a long period of time, I think that this stuff is all pretty extreme. And I I think you can agree, this is pretty extreme stuff when you think about it, right? Yeah. Now, I do think though, Islam gets depicted worse than Christianity. Of course it does. Very unjustly. Everyone wants to talk about radical Islam, especially with the war going on and stuff like that. But what we really should be talking about as well is radical Christianity. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because radical Christianity um involves mass censorship. Mistreatment of women, um, discrimination against gay people, um, slaughter and rape of all of these uh traditional um ethnicities when they colonize the world. Like we need to be talking about radical Christianity, and as you said, it is mainstream because as a society we turn a blind eye to it. Yeah, well it's just disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

And I think as well, what sub when someone looks like a radical Christian compared to a radical Jew or a radical Muslim, they quote unquote look more mainstream.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Well, they look more mainstream. It's not like there's identifiable things to a radical Christian.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

If a Christian goes out and says, we need to have traditional gender roles, we need to, you know, there's no gay people, whatever, it's very different to a Muslim going out and saying that. Yeah. You know what I'm trying to say? Like it's just like.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

And that's because society has come to the point where we just accept it and say, well, that's an acceptable viewpoint, apparently, if a Christian says it.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

Yeah, because that's their like discrimination's okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Exactly, but there's double standards. So I think looking from my perspective as someone linking it back who is a secular atheist, right, we need to a hundred percent apply a level of scrutiny to these religions telling people to do things without obviously making people feel you know like they can't celebrate their own religion. Everyone should be able to do that. You know what I mean? Yeah, but when we are holding this stuff to account, we need to make sure that we hold everyone to account. Because there are racists out there who only want to hold Islam to account. No, that's not me. I want to hold Christians to account, um, many other religions as well. Yeah. And I think that's important. So anyway, the night markets tonight will be interesting. I am very keen to try uh stuff like that. Just the food, just ethnic food and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

You know, I'm a white boy, so you sound like you know when they ask part Trump. What's your favourite verse in the Bible?

SPEAKER_04 21:47

I'm not claiming to be an expert on all the camel burger. I'm excited to try that. And I want to try the lemonade. The lemonade looks cool.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Did you say camel burger?

SPEAKER_04 21:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Fuck, okay. And then the camel looking. Do you know what I've been loving though? What? Turkish food. Fucking love the Turkish. Sydney's Turkish community. Fucking love Turkish people. I've been discovering them over the past.

SPEAKER_04 22:13

A very Turkish time in my life. We go to this place called Sultan's. We've already spent on there for years, but I've just been freaking every tom dick and hair.

Nationals Leadership

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Yeah, it's fucking fantastic. They're like family to us. And they're giving us shit. They're giving us free dips and shit on the house. But don't don't tell the Greeks. This isn't this isn't the place to tell them. Dude, the Greeks don't like the Turks. Oh nah, I'm going with the Turks every day of the week. I'm sorry. You got the target on your back now. I'm sorry. Trust me, the Turkish they're just the best. They're just the best people. This week, there was a spill in the National Party following David Little Proud's shock resignation. Subsequently, Matt Canavan was elected leader of the National Party. But I'm not gonna lie, I was shocked when David Little Proud went. Like it was just so abrupt. Like, what do you think? Well, I think it's just really good.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Because there's been so many and he's stood really firm. And I've I've never I've always thought if he contests about, he'd win. There's just something about him that just makes me think he's fine.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Well, he always just had the numbers. He he managed to initially, and then he managed to um fend off Colin Boyce when he had his brain fart. But like I think generally his time as leader, I mean, it was really lackluster. He's one of the most unremarkable people. You know how people talk about Gavin Newsom and say he's central casting to be president? David Little Proud was central casting to be a fucking bank manager, and honestly, he still would have been incompetent at his job.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

To be fair though, he was the first one in a while not to ever be deputy PM. Yeah, you're serving a long period in opposition. Yeah. Um and I also think, well, the the whole stuff of the splits wasn't very helpful for him.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

No, and and I think look, you could maybe argue the first split gave him credibility because they cave to their policy demands, the Libs cave to the Nats policy demands. However, in my opinion, the second one was a big misjudgment, right? And not necessarily you know, we could go into what they were voting for in the Senate and stuff like that, but I think, you know, more principally, I think it was a misjudgment for him to say that we will not reform under Susan Lee. Because guess what he did? He went and he reformed under Susan Lee. Now she's fucked off, obviously. But I just think that when he said that to me, he was basically in an untenable position the second he went back in with Susan Lee. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 24:43

I do. But this is the thing that I find a bit odd about this whole situation. His main thing he repeated over and over again, I'm buggered, I'm buggered, I'm buggered, aren't we all? But anyway. I know. Well no, but to be fair to him, I would be two if I was leading that kind of thing. But like what was the trigger? There was nothing that happened in the kind of last week.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Yeah, exactly. Well, I think he he was saying potentially um after the coalition reformed, he was then gonna quit, but then he let uh Angus take over from Susan and then let things settle down.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

There was a lot of reports that he he he has shouting matches with Susan everything. So like I reckon he probably wanted to give Angus some clear space. Yeah. But now let's look at Matt Canavan, the new leader. Oh god, yeah. Well, he's the first one from the Senate. They've never had anyone from the You know what it is. And this is a new thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Yeah, everyone's having leaders and deputy leaders in the Senate now, which it's it's interesting because it's never really happened mostly. You can talk about Joe Borden and stuff, but we're not gonna go into that.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

But it's just it's the only reason why let's get down to it is because there's not enough fucking seats in the House of Reps for the coalition. Well, not enough talent. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

And the fact we're talking the fact we're talking about Matt Canavan with the words talent is ridiculous because it shows how much lower the bar has been moved. Do you get what I'm saying? Now, personally, there has always been something intriguing to me about Matt Caravan.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

Yeah, it's a bit like a hasty thing, but even but he's even more Canavan, I'd say.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Oh, maybe not, yeah. I don't know. Sorry. I think it's because he's an effective communicator. Yeah. Um, there's something about him that I do think he genuinely thinks what he is saying. Do you get what I'm saying? The issue is that he thinks that stuff. Um, like, and as well, he has an interesting past because apparently he was a communist. Which makes sense. What do you mean it makes sense?

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Well, because he's there's a lot of things. Yep, look, he's sat up on the bed. There's a lot of things he has said that would align with agrarian communists or agarian socialist policies. Which for people who don't know, that's like agriculture like socialist policies.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

About stuff like protectionism and not free trade, and you know, so you know it's it's interesting though that he's had the political journey to now and get to where he was from the Communist Party. Um but just them characteristics you were saying, talking about agriculture, more working class regional people, hints of socialism.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Well, his whole thing was about Australia. Yeah, exactly. Hyper Australia.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Exactly. Do you know what all of these um characteristics kind of remind me of? And and you're gonna think, oh, here's a fucking, you know, lefties losing it. I'm gonna appear on fucking readers' show lefties losing it. Reminds me of the Nazi Party. There are a lot of similarities when you're talking about the characteristics that he's going for with the Nazi Party. That's it's a fact. That's not that's not you know, but I'm not sure if you're not analysis. I'm not I didn't I'm not saying the Nats are Nazis. I'm just saying I thought you were just gonna say Donald Trump, but no, no, no, no, because think about it, like you know, talking to you know, rural working class voters about agriculture, love of country and stuff like that. I mean, you know, this is it's scary stuff. Look, I wouldn't go as far as that.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Look, I was actually quite interested to see what Carnavan does. Because I actually have always thought the National Party is always a bit of a missed opportunity by staying strictly conservative by the point. Yeah, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Right? Because But they don't know sometimes because they also they had obviously I mean they were supporting the fucking nuclear bullshit, right? And that's government free. Well that was them. That that was the reported that. And then on top of that, uh aren't they for like price restrictions or price caps in areas? Is that into it was Divestiture power. Divestiture, that's what it was. So it's weird. It their ide their ideology is weird. Um but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Canavan's gonna take it on a whole nother thing now. Yeah. But you've got to remember the National Party, right? I think the National Party for a for a long time has been slipping. When you look at their vote share, it's really bad. Especially now with One Nation, and that's the big thing of why everyone thinks Canavan's been elected, because he's able to get those, he'd be better able to get those one nation voters back. Because essentially, since the national vote is so small in the polls, it's very hard to see like how bad it is. They're polling around 2%. If they get 2%, that'd be the equivalent of Labour falling from 35 to 23%. So it's quite a big j jump. And obviously, One Nation's gonna have the largest rise in this area. So it was it was that's probably why Little Proud had to go.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Yep. Um Do you think that Matt Canavan will successfully fend off One Nation or no? If you just had to take and don't give me a cop-out, don't give me a oh, we'll have to defend it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

It depends if it's his backbench Matt Canavan or later back Canavan. If he stays his backbench Matt Canavan, which is uh as in he keeps on saying his views, he doesn't tow the national party line, he will dictate coalition policy.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yep. If you're not answering the question, do you think he'll fend off one nation's five years? Well it depends if he's uh if it is backbench Matt Canavan. If that is fucking Matt Canavan, that's the only Matt Canavan we know.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

Let's say if it's backbench, I think he will likely to because he will dictate, he will override Angus Taylor. Yep. He will basically hold that party ransom.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

And they'll drag them to the right. Which it it might actually help them in the rural areas, but then it might actually hurt them in the city areas because then you're having populism thing. You're having a coalition policy, sorry to cut you off. Yeah. You're having coalition policy be dragged so far to the right that it's just not compatible with the city.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

And also again, to be honest, we were speaking about this, maybe they need to go more populist. Because maybe that that's what we're talking. I think as well, Taylor's probably where I disagree the most with ideologically, compared to Susan, who was more centrist or that kind of called bullshit on that, and then Hasty, who was a bit more popular, it's a bit of a horseshoe type of thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Yeah, like you're saying Angus is like the furthest kind of point from you because it almost wraps around towards a bit more of the far right. No, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 30:49

But if Matt Canavan kind of well, let's just say pussies out and kind of just goes back to moderation, then yeah.

Icks

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Yeah, exactly. In the first episode of this podcast, we discussed our ins and outs for 2026. So now that we are renowned, famous podcasters flying across the world making millions and millions, we thought we should discuss our X. In what currency Um Now we thought so we should discuss our X things that just really annoy us. So do you do you have any? What are you thinking?

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

You do very quick, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

The first one is you know when people are handing out paper, like teachers and just even just people, like I think my mum does it. And then they lick their tongue the paper. Why? What's the issue?

SPEAKER_02 31:43

They do it to try and make it easier to turn the page. I I don't think it's easier because why would a wet page be easier to move than a dry page? And then when you just look at them, it's just disgusting. It's a grotty thing, yeah. No.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Like, why like yeah, I'm not saying I'm the most hygienic person out ever, but like I would never fucking do that. No, it's just weird.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

And the fact that they feel comfortable doing it in front of people. Do you get what I'm saying? It's not a good thing. That's the type of thing that you should be ashamed of. Like, do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 32:10

People do that in front of loads of people, and it's like surely they come to the realization that I don't have to do that. Like, I just don't understand. Oh god. Yeah. I'd rather if someone does psychology, please like tell me why. Yeah, someone needs to do a PhD in uh people licking pages. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

I was trying to like put into words, but yes, you're exactly right. My first ick um are people who eat too fast. Oh god, it's ridiculous. And I I touched on this on one of the previous episodes, and I'll use you as a case example. Um, you know, you you just you hoover things down, right? To the point where, you know, I don't want to be sitting in a restaurant next to someone who's and then I look over and you can barely fit in time to breathe between bites. Like that is no way to enjoy your food, that is no way to consume food. And I catch myself feeling.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Let people do it.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Exactly, which shows that clearly you've crossed the threshold if I'm cracking the shits with it. Because I catch myself doing it sometimes and I just feel disgusted with myself. Because I honestly I I have that vision of you sitting eating that snack pack, hoovering it down, and I'm just disgusted. And I obviously it's one thing if you're in a rush, but honestly, the food is not gonna run away. No, I know it's not gonna run away. It's not gonna grow legs and run.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

I think people I think people misunderstand, or you want me to understand, that it's just to do I'm enjoying it. But in my opinion, there's no way you can enjoy it like that.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

But I'm sorry, but there is if you just wanted in your that's like Neanderthal behaviour. What does that mean? Like if you're just like scoffing it because you're enjoying it, like you really need to pace yourself. Do you get what I'm saying? Oh well, it's just it's just caveman type of shit. Like you're yeah, well, what the fuck? It's very uncivilized. It's very like You know, look at places when eating. I don't know. Probably not the best start. Anyway, what's your second nick? Oh, um Muhammad Ali People are gonna take you seriously and not understand that reference. Um people who eat tuna just generally. Tuna. No, so I love tuna sushi, it's the best one. The best, the best sorry, the best tuna. Uh sorry, the best tuna sushi is tuna sushi with avocado. And specifically with the white rice on the outside with the black sesame seeds. It's a really good combo. I think I disagree with I feel like you'd have a hard time eating that.

SPEAKER_04 34:39

I have a hard time eating a lot of things. But like, no, I like just the cali I think the California rolls, is that what they're called? I don't know. Where's nothing Californian about it? Where the sea rate seaweeds on the outside. Um tuna cans.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

What do you what are you talking about, China?

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Yes. As in, what do you call it? It's just why? Why would anyone get a can of tuna, buy a can of tuna, and eat out of a can, or even make a tuna sandwich. Like, what the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 35:06

I'm not rushing to do it, but like I I'm not opposed to it. Like, I don't know, it's just it's not the hell I'm gonna die on. Like, I don't know. It's like why? It's just well what do you want people to do? Catch their own fucking shit. I just don't want them to eat it unless you want having tuna sushi. And you're accusing you are having a go at me saying, well, you're supposed to be a social libertarian. You are banning fucking food, like come on. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

No, but like but it's even like a thing where if people were to get s um anchovies, I feel like I'd agree with like that thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Anchovies are disgusting. Why? It's just disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 35:39

I actually get you know what I get a now what is that place called? Daddy Fiori, a staple? I get a margarita pizza and I add anchovies. That's fucking disgusting. Why?

SPEAKER_02 35:50

That is really, really bad. Really? Yeah, no, no way.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

It makes it a bit salty.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Well, I don't understand as well, and I'm moving the topic a bit, but it's still on the thing. People I don't get why people hate like draw the line on like pickles and stuff. Like people go out of their way to take pickles and burgers. And it's fine, like there's no issue. I would go out of my way to take off shit like anchovies from um, you know, a pizza.

SPEAKER_04 36:15

That's just I do agree though, if a pickle is like really badly cut and it's really hard, like I can understand. Like people, you gotta crunchy. You gotta s try and eat the burger first. And if it's like make if it's bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Oh, but you wouldn't you would have already found it by then. So you're not getting it without anyway. Yeah. Just generally, I don't know. The tuna hang's a bit weird. My second ick is I I'm going a bit broader than you are, um, and a bit more in-depth at the same time, is people who are performative. Um I just think that you know, I have no time for people who are there to try and create some fake persona to feel better about themselves and to hope that they're liked by more people. Because if you need to be performative, if you need to hide your true self, that means that there's an issue with your true self. Do you get what I'm saying? Meaning that you have issues. So I think you need to work on them issues first, and then once you've worked on them and you've resolved them, then be your true self. Stop putting up these barriers, these facades. Um, it it just really annoys me when I see people, you know, trying to put on some persona.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

It's like those fucking people out in the fucking west who are like see like who live in fuck I'm sorry, you l you live in a shithole, right? I like see I drive past and I see fucking liberals signed out the side of your house. What the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 37:28

Because they do it to make themselves feel better about it.

SPEAKER_04 37:31

Like, you know, whatever my life will put together, you know, like you know, I'm so the quota for this shit, like no, you unless you live in fucking Vaughn Clue, there's no fucking reason for you to be fucking doing that. Yeah. Anyway, it really gets me. Yeah, it's a false false consciousness.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

That's a good that's a good case example as well.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

But that's more political.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Sorry, I was gonna depoliticise myself this year, how that goes on. Yeah, come on, fantastic. Speaking about the fucking gnat spill and depth. Anyway, um what is your second second dick? Me my third. Third, sorry, I'm I can't count. Exactly. You can tell, you can tell.

SPEAKER_04 38:06

Um the word tissue. What? Ga tissue. The word tissue. It just such a nice little word tissue. No no no no no no no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do you want an issue?

SPEAKER_02 38:19

It makes me gad. Do you want a tissue for your issue? No. No.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

It's it's a perfectly I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

I have no issue. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. I just don't I don't have issues with words. I don't know, it's not it's not that deep. There's no word that annoys me or anything. Like it's just There's not even like there's words that scratch an itch in my brain, but that doesn't. Yeah, there are. But no, I don't know tissue, it's smooth. Anyway, it's it's a very odd, odd ick.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

But yours okay, sorry. No, but I'm just gonna say the way you're saying it is a bit is a little bit better. Tissue. You just kinda say tissue.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Tissue. You're saying you have an issue if it's tissue, like a bit more pronounced.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

The more the more emphasis on the shh shh shissue. Shh no shh no no no no no. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. No no no. Rather than this is a full autistic conversation. Wait, hang on.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

I just want confirmation. You prefer tissue over tissue. Yes. Okay, no, I get you. I was trying to work out, I was sounding it out anyway. Um my last one is institutions, which is a bit different to the word tissue. Um I just I just don't like, you know, you know, whether it be a school, university, some big fucking corporate, you know, company, whatever. I just don't like these big establishments um trying to put people into boxes, telling them what to do, telling them how to think, telling them what to say, because then it kind of adds to the performative people thing. But it's just the only thing that occurs from that is a bunch of people who can't be themselves, a bunch of people who are living in a fake reality. And I just don't think that um, you know, I just don't think that institutions can accurately facilitate individuals and allowing people to express themselves. Oh yeah, for sure. Like I think he's opening a bottle of Pepsi, by the way, just to add some context to the listeners. It's a bit of ASMR. No, we're not doing ASMR right now. He's po he's holding his mic up as he's pouring the anyway. Sorry, back on the topic. You know, that's quite classy of you. I thought you would have junk it out of the the bottle. I didn't think we would do glasses.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

Sorry, sorry, because I'm not gonna go on anything five minutes, but what do you call it? Institutions, oh yeah, I've been fucked over. By what by institutions? Just it just institu well, and I think as well your thing's quite a conservative viewpoint, which I find quite interesting.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Well, it is in the sense that I just want people to individualism, like it's quite an embarrassing. But I think you can believe in individual expression while still being a lefty. Do you get what I'm saying? Because and I think the left did that very well. Look at the left, they're a diverse bunch. You know, you get every type of hair colour, every type of ethnicity on the sun. There's no issue with that, right? We need more wogs, though, I think. On the left, yeah. Well the I think the this is a discussion for another day, but I do think the left has a bit of an aesthetic problem. I know this is really a bit of a hit me moment. Like I'm sitting in your room like filming a fucking podcast. Like I other people my age are out there, like, I don't know, doing real shit, and I'm like sitting here. Anyway, what were you saying about you being done by institutions?

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Well, I was just saying I am quite an original person, let's put to put it like that. Authentic would you say? Authentic, and that just doesn't fit the model, especially of conservative institutions that I've attended.

SPEAKER_05 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

And it's not even just the institution itself, it's the institu people in the institution. Because they're all conforming to it. Especially like, for example, at school. I feel like if I was in the E grade above, I would have been a bit more valued. Like accepted more?

SPEAKER_02 41:39

So are you saying I think people would have Are you saying RE group didn't accept or respect you to the point that you should normally be?

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Probably, yeah. Yeah. I guess so. If I'm saying that, like I'm not I'm not can't I can't beat around the bush, can I? Like that's just a lot of people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Would you say that that got to the point where it was almost mistreatment? Close to. Yeah. Um But then this is the thing, right? This is the thing. I think that you are one of you'd probably, if we lined everyone up from that you group, right? You'd probably be one of the realest and most authentic motherfuckers there. Now that's I'm not here to glaze you or anything. It's just a fact. Well you're in my room, like you'll have to confuse it. I don't like I don't think that like I think you're being pretty true to who you actually are. You're not, do you get what I'm saying? Like you you'll say it how it is, you'll act like how it is, like you're not there putting on a persona. This goes back to what I was saying. And so many people there were, right? So they were too busy entrenched in their personas that they just couldn't facilitate you in their own. Oh no, I just I just didn't meet their narrative.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

Exactly. That's just what it was. And I know it didn't fit into a book. You didn't either in another kind of a way. Like obvious and this is the thing, right? What what did I do? That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

No, but as I mean, what did I do?

SPEAKER_04 42:56

What is it personally? Yeah. All I did was spread joy.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

But what did they do to you? You haven't l you haven't really stipulated that.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

Well, I just felt a bit more excluded?

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Isolated? Not isolated, I feel that's the way.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

Okay. Not excluded. Yeah. I just felt isolated.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

I felt I think you were included, but you were included sometimes in a very tokenistic way. In the sense that your services would be taken advantage of. No, no. Because people would go, people would be working on things and think, how do I make this funny? Oh, I'll use Oliver. But then two days later they won't fucking speak to you if they walk past you. That's the thing. Because I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

I think you were exploited. That is true. And I there was no consistency. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people who I wasn't necessarily that close with or like didn't really speak to her at all. Who did who were incredibly nice? Yeah, incredibly nice percent. And they understood the value I think. Yeah, there were some really nice people in our YouTube. And also, like even club people I got closer with. But what do you call it for the vast majority? Like it and it wasn't like I I don't I hesitate to blame the individuals themselves. I really like It goes back to the institution.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

It wasn't intentional. It's more of just a cultural approach to how they were dealing with you.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

Yep. But for whatever reason, I feel like the year above would have been more. I don't know why. I don't know why though.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

I think they're a bit more what's the word? Colourful. I think we could probably say. But um any anyway, so there we go. News flash. Oliver hates everyone who he went to school with. No, I do not. So there you go. If you're if you went to school with him, he hates you. Just remember that. Just submit. He hates everyone.